More Astonishing Things Materialists Say
In response to my last post, Sev gives us an astonishing double down:
Yes, a microscopic living cell is immensely complex when you look at it closely but comparing one to a factory based on some similarities in the internal processes is an analogy not necessarily evidence of design. To judge the value of an analogy you should also consider the differences. For example, a human factory is vastly larger than a living cell. It’s also made of refined metals, plastics and glass which you don’t find in the cell. Judged by those attributes of known design, the cell is not designed.
OK, lets consider the differences that you point out.
1. Cells are smaller than factories. Sev, you didn’t think this one through. Think of the original computers. They were the size of a room and less powerful than today’s handheld smart phone. So which is the more sophisticated design, UNIVAC or my Galaxy Edge 7? The inference from miniaturization goes in the opposite direction you seem to think it does. Even the simplest cell is a marvel of nano-technology. The “nano” part of that phrase increases the confidence we can have in the design inference.
2. Cells are made from different materials. So? Mount Rushmore is a designed object that uses stone as a material. The computer I am typing this on is a designed object made of metal, plastic and silicon. The messages Craig Venter encoded in DNA were designed objects using DNA as the medium. The design inference is based on an analysis of whether the object is characterized by specified complexity, not the material of which it is made.
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If the landscape looked marked with water erosion on a waterless, barren planet, one would assume that water had once existed on that planet. In the same way, when we see effects only known to be brought about by intelligence — like digital information-based functional complexity — that is evidence specifically for the existence of intelligence.
Otangelo Grasso April 12, 2017 at 3:06 pm
Factory and machine planning and design, and what it tells us about cell factories and molecular machines
The Cell is a Factory
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The cell is like a factory, that has various computer like hierarchically organized systems of hardware and software, various language based informational systems, a translation system, hudge amounts of precise instructional/specified, complex information stored and extract systems to make all parts needed to produce the factory and replicate itself, the scaffold structure, that permits the build of the indispensable protection wall, form and size of its building, walls with gates that permits cargo in and out, recognition mechanisms that let only the right cargo in, has specific sites and production lines, “employees”, busy and instructed to produce all kind of necessary products, parts and subparts with the right form and size through the right materials, others which mount the parts together in the right order, on the right place, in the right sequence, at the right time, which has sophisticated check and error detection mechanisms all along the production process, the hability to compare correctly produced parts to faulty ones and discard the faulty ones, and repeat the process to make the correct ones;
highways and cargo carriers that have tags which recognize where to drop the cargo where its needed, cleans up waste and has waste bins and sophisticated recycle mechanisms, storage departments, produces its energy and shuttles it to where its needed, and last not least, does reproduce itself. The salient thing is that the individual parts and compartments have no function by their own. They had to emerge ALL AT ONCE, No stepwise manner is possible, all systems are INTERDEPENDENT and IRREDUCIBLE. And it could not be through evolution, since evolution depends on fully working self replicating cells, in order to function. How can someone rationally argue that the origin of the most sophisticated factory in the universe would be probable to be based on natural occurence, without involving any guiding intelligence ? To go from a bacterium to people is less of a step than to go from a mixture of amino acids to a bacterium. — Lynn Margulis
Molecular machines in biology
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It is now clear that most functions in the cell are not carried out by single protein enzymes, colliding randomly within the cellular jungle, but by macromolecular complexes containing multiple subunits with specific functions (Alberts 1998). Many of these complexes are described as “molecular machines.” Indeed, this designation captures many of the aspects characterizing these biological complexes: modularity, complexity, cyclic function, and, in most cases, the consumption of energy. Examples of such molecular machines are the replisome, the transcriptional machinery, the spliceosome, and the ribosome.
The Cell is a factory. the Nucleus is the control office. The cell membrane the security guard and wall. The cytoskeleton is like the support structures. The Cytoplasm is like the Air and the Factory FloorThe endoplasmic reticulum is like the Assembly Line. Ribosomes are information translation devices. The Golgi Apparatus is like the Alpha and Beta Testers. Lysosomes are like the Janitors. Vacuoles are the Storage Units. The Mitochondria is the Powerplant. Cloroplasts are like the Solar Panels.
The Nucleus is like the control office.
Stores the information for our body/ the factory
controls the cell/factory
most important part of the cell/company
The cell membrane is like the security guard
only lets certain things enter and leave the cell/factory
makes sure the things the cell/factory needs comes in.
makes sure the things that would be bad for the cell/factory can’t come in
The cytoskeleton/ the cell wall is like the support structures
Gives support to the building
Gives the building a shape
The Cytoplasm is like the Air and the Factory Floor
Takes up most of the cell’s volume
Covers almost all of where the work is being done
The endoplasmic reticulum is like the Assembly Line
The E.R. serves as the site of production for proteins
The assembly line is where all of the products are made
Ribosomes are like the Employees on the Floor
Ribosomes make the proteins, so they are the employees of the cell
The Employees on the floor are the people who make all of the products that are shipped out
The Golgi Apparatus is like the Alpha and Beta Testers
The Golgi Apparatus makes sure the Products put out by the E.R. will work
The alpha and Beta testers are there to make sure the Factory’s products come out the way they should
Lysosomes are like the Janitors
The Lysosomes contain digestive enzymes to clean up the cell and get rid of waste
The Janitors always make sure the factory is clean
Vacuoles are like the Storage Units
The vacuole is there for storage
The storage units in a factory store the thing that will be needed for future use
The Mitochondria are like the Powerplant
The Mitochondria break down food molecules to create energy for the cell
The Powerplant of the factory creates energy for the Factory
The Cloroplasts are like the Solar Panels
The cloroplasts are only in some cells (plant cells) and they create energy from sunlight
Not everyone has Solar Panels, and they soak up the energy made by the sun
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