Is this about my being wrong and you proving it, or is it about understanding a concept.
Both. The former primarily since you keep going back to the same false point, and using it to attack Republicans or esp. conservatives.
The later since that's one of the main goals of participating in conversations about topics.
You say you don't memorize names, ever hear of google"
Sure. I use it all the time (or startpage which uses google search results anyway). But there are 535 names. If I had them memorized. And some of them are common names so you have to check carefully that you have the right person. Then you would have to look up their voting record and political history and analyze it, which isn't necessarily easy to get from Google if they aren't prominent. Some two term represenative who served before I was born and never did anything special in congress is going to be hard to research. Its not just gong to be a quick search in Google and then your there.
Despite all that, and despite you not researching much of anything in this conversation (not even going back a couple of posts in a conversation to see what its about when you can't remember), I mentioned two that I knew about and then researched about 8 more to find another two. Giving you 4 when you just asked for one, and getting a fairly solid percentage (though still a minority) of the Senators I looked at (didn't bother to check the House), that were non-conservative, even liberal Democrats who voted against the bill (and filibustered it, and mostly also signed the Southern Manifesto). And its not as if the others I checked were a bunch of conservatives, in many cases their political leanings were not immediately clear and I just didn't bother to mentioned them (in one or two cases they were at least slightly conservative).
I could search the rest of the Senators and probably find at least several other examples. I just don't think it would be worthwhile to do so, I made my point with the four I listed. I'm certainly not going to bother to research all 130 House members who voted against the bill. You haven't researched the issue at all. You mentioned southern vs. northern but don't have any breakdown on, or evidence about, conservative vs liberal. You just (inaccurately) assume that southern equals conservative. I looked at a dozen senators who voted against the bill separated out a few Republicans since they weren't the issue, and got close to half of the Democrats who voted against it being liberals. (And about half of the remaining being uncertain not clearly liberal.)
Yes I only looked at 8 Democratic senators who voted against, but that's 8 out of 21, so a decent sampling (selected alphabetically not trying to find ones to fit my point and tossing out everyone else). |
