Barry; There is a thread about shorting broken down stocks; I doubt there are many now on this one, but some time back a yahoo "fool" release did talk about the shorts in both VUPDA and MOOV. I have not downloaded last months data. Just the same I'm sure there are some that made money on the short side, and greed tempts them to hit her again. Maybe they reason that even if they now lose, they are still going to be ahead, it is hard for some people to turn lose and get out of a game were they are ahead. Both shorts and momentum buyers have a percentage of players that always hang on to long. Their makeup is just about the same although they graze on oppoisite sides of the fence. I have a broker friend who won't buy untill after stock breaks out and has gone up about 30%, then he refuses to belive it will go back down untill it's lost 20% or more. He did what he could to talk me out of AMD back in 96 when it was $10.25, he bought when it got to $21, and would not sell at $40 no he waited until it got back down to $30..but he made money. Up untill then he had never thought of playing "risky" tech stocks, as he was not a tecky..I use to work on his computer, ( but the cheap sucker seemed to haggel about what my service was worth ) so I quit, and left him to the mercy of the many local computer service wolves. Any way He called me several months ago all hyped up about ORCL, I looked and told him it was to high..he bought anyway. I have not heard from him since. All in all I did learn a lot from him, and he's a nice guy ( but cheap ). There was one deal he forgot to place a sell order I put in, I didn't catch it untill I called him and asked if it went through. I lost about $200 dollars on his tardy action, he never offered to make it up, and I did not see were taking him to task and causing hard feelings was worth $200 so I let it slide. We still talk but I don't use him as a broker any longer. I did at times get him to open up and it was very revealing. He works for a very reputal firm, and I don't want to mention it or cause him problems. I now know why most brokerage houses try to steer people to mutual funds. ( they know most people can not pick stocks, in fact they know they don't really do a hot job with their own recomendations , but mostly because most people can not or will not deversify enough ) He was up front telling me 85% of their clinets who failed to use mutal funds actually lost money playing the market. ------------------------------- He considered himself an excetion but only because he was in the office every day and had at his finger tips, an assest that was above the type of information clinets could get in a heart beat. All in all he does well, and I understand he can't call every client every time he sees a tigger event on the stocks he is in. I doubt he would even if time permitted as most clients would not make desisions like he does..and he knows that. I guees my $200 lost was worth the education he gave me about the market in general, and how brokers work, and how the house can short stocks at the top. I've explainded that to people a lot of times but see that most don't want to belive it. Market Makers on the NAZ also can sell short and often do to other short sellers. They keep a running tab on were shorts are positioned, and have a big advantage. The indivdual shorter has to overcome odds he often does not understand, even when he wins the Brokerage house or Market Maker house has a built in spread that assures them a profit, and if they don't get that spread they won't find the client any shares to short. I noticed VUPDA volume droped way way down, seems to say the MMs don't have much inventory and indicates a "real" move in VUPDAs value soon to show itself. They are not sure if she is going up or down..the after market or secondary market has dried up. Keep an eye on VUPDA, they will have to tick her down some to get inventory the bid/ask spread will likley widen untill they do. I'm convinced our play on MOOV is tied more to VUPDAs price than most people belive. Jim |