El Pais interview with Glenn Greenwald:
Glenn Greenwald: “Moro sabe que eu sei tudo que ele disse e fez. E sabe que vamos contar tudo”
Glenn Greenwald: "Moro knows I know everything he said and did. And you know we're going to tell you everything"
14 July 2019
Google translation of interview snips:
Q. What brought you to Brazil?
A. I came for seven weeks to clear my ideas. My first husband and I had separated, I was 37 years old, I was tired of being a lawyer ... I met David on the first day, we fell in love and at that time the United States had a [Bill] Clinton law that prohibited the Federal Government give any benefit to same-sex couples. David could not get a visa to the US. But Brazil's courts had created a rule that gave same-sex couples permanent residency rights. Brazil was the only option for us to be together.
Q. Is investigative journalism more difficult than in Wikileaks or Snowden?
R. In the technological sense it is easier, but not legal, more difficult. One of the cool things about Wikileaks is that Assange was the first to see that, thanks to digital storage, mass leaks of information from powerful institutions would be the new engine of journalism in the digital age. One of my childhood heroes was Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked tens of thousands of pages of Pentagon papers. It took months to copy the secret documents. Snowden took a few hours. But the powerful, increasingly threatened by this facility for massive leaks, are becoming more aggressive when it comes to criminalizing investigative journalism.
Is Assange a journalist? This is a central point in the debate over your case.
A. I believe what he did is journalism. I do not think a journalist should have specific training like that of a doctor or a lawyer. Any citizen can disclose information of public interest. Assange worked with newspapers around the world, The New York Times, The Guardian, El Pais, etc., not as a source but as a journalistic partner. I do not have a very close relationship with him, but I am one of the few people who, despite criticizing him punctually, always defended the importance of his work. In 2018, David and I spent three days with him at the [Ecuador's London] embassy.
Q. What about Snowden?
A. I have a lot of relationship. Together with Daniel Ellsberg, Laura Poitras and others we have created an organization for the freedom of information with which Snowden works. I was in Moscow a year ago and spent a normal day as friends, we went to Gorky Park ... When I first visited it, I was under extreme pressure and did not feel comfortable even going out. Today he can not leave Russia because he would be arrested, but he is the happiest person I know because, with courage and sacrifice, he made a courageous decision and was fully aware of it.
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Q. For your children, what is it like to grow up in Brazil from Bolsonaro with two parents, who besides are known?
A. We thought of this before adopting them, when Bolsonaro was not yet president, but there was already a growing right wing movement. In Brazil they want to present the LGBTQI community as a threat to children. The family we created dynamited this demonization. It is our obligation to show that LGBTQI families can be full and happy.
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