HI Catlady; I agree that people who say the market just can't be called don't know how and think every one is a dumb or dumber than they are. BUT, in calling the marke "knowing when it can't is the first thing. Eliminating thoes days or weeks when you can see mixed signals just make it nothing but a guess is the first rule. At the race track out of 12 races I generally can quikly see the "toss ups" and don't even handicap them. Most half the races are "toss ups" in thoes I may play the long shots "BUT" depending on the crowd that day. If they are others also playing long shots I pass, as the odds on the long shots drop to much just as the windows close. It's easy to see if that is happing after the first race or two, if so it's a no long shot day. Often out of the 12 races I will only find 3 or 4 to bet on. I see "hooked" gamblers all the time going to the window on every race..in the long run they lose their shirt. Sometimes I bet more often than I should, but at least I catch myself at it and back off. So yes the Market can be called, but I find it is less than 50% of the time, and on the 50% that can be reasonable called you do good if you hit 80% of thoes. If you can hit 80% of the time you can do OK , but you won't make 80% if you try to call every race. Keep in mind the 20% you miss has to be made up for, by more than 20% of the winners..it's the old, lose 50% and you have to double just to get even trap. A 20% loss takes a 25% gain to get you back even then you have expence too..playing the short side is harder than playing the long side, the curves are not the same, and all other things being equall getting in and out of shorts offers less time and it is harder to exploit the same move down as one up. Untill a person sees that they are kidding themselves. Also the risk being short is always greater than a long one, ( all other things even ) a stock can only fall so much, but risk to the upside loss in a short is unlimeted. Message 3301236 besides the above, over time I've seen that playing calls is more profitable as an average. If you see some one "hung up" on playing puts know they are "hooked" and you can not trust "hooked" people to tell the truth, not that they want to lie, but they "kid" themselves to much. They don't admitt to losses ( like the alcoholics who hides their booze ) they often hide it so good sometimes they can't even find it. <G> Right now I have to many mixed siganls, there is a little down sign for today, but not enough to take a chance on. Expence and all and I would not want to stay short over the weekend, to much risk for likley gain, risk/gain ratio is like the odds on the board at the race track picking more winners than lossers don't always put you ahead. If I bet six races with $2 bets and only get 1.5/1 odds as they are favorets and if I win 4 I make $4 profit, the 2 I lose takes that right back. so playing the favorets you have to win 5 of 6 to make money, and if your that good you only make 16% on what you risked. <G> ( not any of the pros I know can win 5 of 6 on a regular basis, as to much can go wrong ) so you got to get better odds, and that can't be forced it's up to the crowd you have on any given day, some days they spread the odds so bad, that by the time the track takes it's cut there is nothing worth bettng on. The same is true in the market via hedge funds if real active they reduce odds so that across the board, you get more knee jerking than a trend. Jim |