But my message to American decision makers do not -- just because Putin didn't go to the right schools, just because he doesn't have great table manners. Don't take him lightly. Here's a man who's punked three U.S. presidents in a row working on a fourth. He's -- he was dealt a pair of eights. We have a royal flush, and we followed it again and again. So Putin is an extremely talented, a brilliant man, sometimes a crude man, but never underestimate the genius of the outsider.