My assessment is that Chinese espionage is so sophisticated at this point, and so kind of omnipresent, that my assumption is the Chinese get basically nightly updates of everything anyway.

I think basically all the companies and labs are completely penetrated, and by the way, they might be completely penetrated with actual people or they might be penetrated using other means.

The way you hack in a lot of these companies is you hire somebody on the contract janitorial service to stick a USB drive into something so there’s lots and lots of ways to do these penetrations.

And by the way, there’s a long track record on this in terms of obviously Chinese theft of American technological IP.

My assumption is that Chinese are getting a nightly update on everything anyway and so to the extent that anybody in the world is working on it, they have basically daily access to it, and so in that world it’s an inevitability that they’re going to have the technology, they’re going to have it in a state-of-the-art form and then it’s a question of how do we deal with that?