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Vinnie, re: TSMC's Arizona Semiconductor Fab: The Challenge--------

Great to see your presence here again. Thanks for the fascinating read-

Copilot Q&A- 5 Questions re: Semi fab and data center water requirements / challenges in AZ. From the answers it appears the companies and govermental agencies involved have thought out solutions to the significant challenge .

re Q- Water consumption_ Each silicon wafer requires 2,000 gallons of ultra-pure water; Fab 21 consumes 4+ million gallons daily (six Olympic pools worth)

1) discuss water consumption- water required to support planned wafer units sales vs current supply on a monthly basis.

Great question—this gets to the heart of the sustainability and infrastructure challenges facing Arizona’s semiconductor boom. Let’s break it down:

1- ?? Water Consumption vs Wafer Output in Arizona Fabs

?? TSMC Arizona Fab Water Usage
  • Raw Water Demand: TSMC’s first Arizona fab is projected to use 4.75 million gallons per day at full capacity.
  • Recycling Impact: With advanced recycling systems, TSMC expects to reduce net consumption to ~1 million gallons/day by 2027.
  • Monthly Net Use: That’s about 30 million gallons/month, equivalent to the water used by ~90,000 Phoenix residents.
?? Water Per Wafer

  • Ultra-Pure Water Requirement: Each wafer requires ~2,000 gallons of ultra-pure water.
  • Planned Output: TSMC’s Arizona site is designed to produce 100,000 wafers/month by 2028.
  • Total Water Needed: That implies 200 million gallons/month of ultra-pure water input. However, most of this is recycled.
Recycled vs Consumed
  • Recycling Efficiency: TSMC aims to recycle 90% of water used in manufacturing.
  • True Consumption: That brings actual water loss (mostly via evaporation) down to ~20 million gallons/month.
Arizona’s Water Supply Context
  • Phoenix Water Supply: The city delivers ~300 million gallons/day to customers. TSMC’s net usage is <1% of that.
  • Long-Term Planning: Phoenix has demonstrated water availability for a 100-year build-out of the fab complex.
  • Competing Demands: Arizona’s water stress is real—over 100 data centers and other fabs (e.g., Intel) also draw heavily from the same supply.
Summary: Monthly Water Balance

Metric

Value

Planned wafer output

100,000 wafers/month

Water per wafer (input)

~2,000 gallons

Total water input

~200 million gallons/month

Recycling rate

~90%

Net water consumption

~20–30 million gallons/month

Share of Phoenix water supply

<1%

TSMC’s Arizona fabs are pushing the envelope on water recycling, but the sheer scale of wafer production means even small inefficiencies can translate into massive volumes. The good news: the city has planned for this, and fabs are investing heavily in purification and reuse systems. Still, as Arizona’s climate warms and water rights tighten, this balance will need constant recalibration.

Want to dive into Intel’s water footprint or compare fab sustainability strategies next?

2) Water usage vs supply when INTC and other planned semi fabs are completed,

3) same question when adding in planned data centers are completed

You're asking the right questions—Arizona’s future hinges on how well it balances booming tech growth with its fragile water supply. Let’s break this down into two parts:

2) Water Usage vs Supply: Intel + Other Semiconductor Fabs

Projected Water Demand
  • Intel’s Expansion: Intel’s Fab 42 in Chandler already operates, and two more fabs are planned. Intel aims for net positive water use by restoring 937 million gallons/year through conservation projects.
  • TSMC’s Arizona Fabs: Three fabs planned, each using ~9 million gallons/day at full capacity.
  • Other Fabs: Samsung, Amkor, and others are eyeing Arizona, potentially adding tens of millions of gallons/day in aggregate.
?? Estimated Monthly Water Use (All Semi Fabs by 2030)

Fab Operator

Daily Use (Est.)

Monthly Use

Notes

TSMC (3 fabs)

27M gal/day

~810M gal

With 90% recycling, net use ~81M gal/month

Intel (3 fabs)

~10M gal/day

~300M gal

Net use reduced via restoration projects

Other fabs

~10M gal/day

~300M gal

Conservative estimate

Total Net Use (after recycling): ~150–200 million gallons/month

Arizona Water Supply Context
  • Phoenix Water Delivery: ~300M gallons/day = ~9 billion gallons/month
  • Colorado River Dependency: 36% of Arizona’s water comes from the river, which is shrinking
  • Groundwater Restrictions: New housing halted in some areas due to groundwater shortages
Conclusion: Even with aggressive recycling, semiconductor fabs could consume 2–3% of Phoenix’s monthly water supply. Manageable—but only if conservation and reclamation continue scaling.

3) Add Planned Data Centers: Water Usage vs Supply

Cooling Demands

  • Current Data Centers: ~118 in Arizona, with dozens more planned
  • Water Use Projection: Expected to grow from 4.5B gallons/year in 2030 to 7B gallons/year by 2035
  • Cooling Innovations: Some centers (e.g., Microsoft, CyrusOne) use zero-water cooling or reclaimed water
Estimated Monthly Water Use (All Data Centers by 2035)

Category

Annual Use

Monthly Use

Data Centers

7B gallons

~583M gallons

?? Combined Impact: Fabs + Data Centers

Sector

Monthly Net Use

Semiconductor Fabs

~150–200M gal

Data Centers

~583M gal

Total

~733–783M gal

That’s ~8% of Phoenix’s monthly water supply—a significant chunk, especially as droughts intensify.



Final Takeaway

Arizona’s water future depends on:
  • Scaling water reclamation (zero liquid discharge tech is key)
  • Smart siting policies (e.g., Chandler’s water limits on data centers)
  • Balancing economic growth with environmental limits
The tech boom is thrilling—but it’s also a high-stakes water gamble. Want to explore how other states or countries are handling similar pressures?
  • 4) RE: Intel aims for net positive water use by restoring 937 million gallons/year through conservation projects.
Describe INTCs restoration / conservation project

Intel’s water restoration efforts in Arizona are impressively multifaceted and go far beyond just offsetting their own consumption—they’re actively improving watershed health across the region. Here's a breakdown of how they’re doing it:

4- Intel’s Water Restoration & Conservation Projects in Arizona

Ecosystem-Based Restoration

Intel has funded over 20 water restoration projects in Arizona, many of which focus on improving river flows, restoring wetlands, and supporting sustainable agriculture. These projects are designed to return nearly 2.2 billion gallons/year to local watersheds.

Key Projects Include:
  • Upper Colorado River Flow Enhancement
    • Location: Colorado River tributaries
    • Method: Leasing water from upstream reservoirs to boost downstream flows during critical low periods
    • Impact: Restored 533 million gallons in 2022
  • Price River Flow Restoration (Utah, benefits AZ)
    • Method: Modifying Scofield Dam and leasing water rights from a decommissioned coal plant
    • Impact: Adds 277 million gallons/year to the watershed
  • Upper Yampa River Restoration
    • Method: Timed water releases to improve stream flow, fish habitat, and water quality
    • Impact: Restored 339 million gallons in 2022
  • Windy Gap Connectivity Channel
    • Goal: Remove barriers to fish migration and improve flow continuity
    • Impact: Estimated 64 million gallons/year starting in 2023
Agricultural Innovation

Intel also supports crop-switching initiatives near the Verde River:

  • Encouraged farmers to replace water-intensive summer crops with barley, which requires less irrigation and is harvested earlier
  • Invested in a local malt house to reduce costs and support local breweries, creating a sustainable supply chain
On-Site Water Management

At Intel’s Ocotillo campus in Chandler:
  • Built a 12-acre water treatment and recycling facility
  • Operates the Ocotillo Brine Reduction Facility to minimize freshwater draw
  • Achieved Platinum certification from the Alliance for Water Stewardship—the highest level of recognition for sustainable water practices
Net Positive Water Use

Intel’s combined efforts—internal recycling + external restoration—mean they now return more water to Arizona’s environment than they consume. In 2022 alone, they restored over 100% of their freshwater use in the state.

Intel’s approach is a model for how tech companies can align industrial growth with environmental stewardship. Want to compare this with TSMC’s water strategy or dive into how these efforts affect Arizona’s long-term water security?

5) TSMCs water strategy ................................................................

TSMC’s water strategy in Arizona is a high-tech response to a high-stakes challenge: building ultra-clean semiconductor fabs in one of the driest regions of the U.S. Here's how they’re tackling it:

5- TSMC Arizona’s Water Strategy: “Near-Zero Discharge” Ambition
Industrial Reclamation Water Plant (IRWP)
  • Size & Scope: A 15-acre facility designed to recycle nearly all water used in chipmaking.
  • Startup Capacity: Will recycle 85% of water at launch, with plans to reach 90% or better by 2028.
  • Function: Converts industrial wastewater back into ultrapure water, essential for cleaning wafers during fabrication.
“The ‘near zero’ discharge design of our IRWP is a proof point of TSMC Arizona’s green manufacturing plans.” — Rose Castanares, President of TSMC Arizona

Current In-House Recycling
  • Existing System: TSMC Arizona already achieves 65% recycling using its internal water resource center.
  • Reuse Applications: Recycled water supports cooling towers, air scrubbers, and other non-critical systems.
Desert-Specific Engineering
  • Custom Filtration: Arizona’s mineral-rich water requires specialized reverse osmosis and deionization systems.
  • Water Chemistry Challenges: The plant is engineered to handle high levels of calcium, magnesium, and silica typical of desert aquifers.
Strategic Planning & Community Impact
  • 100-Year Water Plan: TSMC chose Phoenix partly due to its long-term water planning and infrastructure support.
  • City Collaboration: Phoenix officials praised the IRWP as a model for balancing economic growth with environmental stewardship.
Water Use Snapshot

Metric

Value

Water per wafer

~2,000 gallons

Fab 21 daily use

~4 million gallons

IRWP recycling goal

=90%

Net water consumption (est.)

~400,000 gallons/day

Monthly net use (2 fabs)

~24 million gallons

TSMC’s water strategy is not just about conservation—it’s about building a scalable, sustainable model for advanced manufacturing in water-stressed regions. If they hit their targets, they’ll set a new benchmark for industrial water stewardship in the semiconductor world.
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