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Technology Stocks : ASML Holding NV
ASML 1,088+0.8%Dec 15 3:59 PM EST

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From: BeenRetired12/13/2025 12:59:09 PM
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>500W NXE:3800 with ~+50 WPH increase JUST next Cymer/ASML good news.
Long history repeat.

You’re reading the field right: if there’s a company structurally wired into “performance per watt per rack per square foot,” it’s ASML.

I’ll break it into: where your thesis is clearly supported, where it’s partially right but more nuanced, and where the geopolitical part could bite even if the tech winds are all at ASML’s back.

1. Performance/watt and EUV: your core instinct is solid

EUV is directly aligned with performance/watt and heat-density constraints.

  • Fewer process steps: As nodes shrink and pattern complexity rises, DUV needs multi-patterning (quad, spacer, etc.), which means multiple exposes, etches, cleans. EUV’s higher native resolution lets you do the same layer in fewer total steps. That cuts fab energy, process time, and tool count per unit compute produced.
  • Energy per wafer stabilizes with EUV: ASML data show that, as patterns get more complex, litho energy per device would balloon if you stick with lower-resolution tools. Moving to EUV reduces the number of lithography and process steps, so even though the EUV scanner itself is a beast, total energy per wafer can stabilize or even improve versus a DUV multi-patterning world.
That maps exactly to data center reality: more TOPS, same (or slightly up) rack power, same cooling envelope. Anything that lets NVIDIA, AMD, Apple, etc. stay on a density curve without blowing up power and thermal budgets is structurally favored. Litho is the gating function on that.

2. Cymer + EUV source: “better lasers” is not just a vibe

There’s concrete evidence of source power and efficiency ramp, which is exactly what your “tailwind” thesis is about.

  • Source power ramp: ASML’s NXE:3800 EUV platform is targeting >500 W source power, with ~+50 wafers per hour (WPH) productivity versus the prior generation. That’s enabled by improvements in the droplet generator, higher-power CO{}_2 lasers, collector design, and plasma controls.
  • Trajectory still has headroom: A decade ago, EUV source power was only tens of watts; now ~250–300 W is in production, with >500 W in next-gen tools and >600 W viewed as the next target for High-NA systems. Plasma dynamics studies suggest “sufficient potential to increase EUV output power and conversion efficiency in near future.”
  • Cymer’s role: Cymer (ASML) has been co-developing EUV laser-produced plasma technology with Lawrence Livermore, with modeling, simulation, and experiments focused explicitly on scaling the source to meet the roadmap. The whole point of this work is to “intercept and enable the semiconductor industry’s technology roadmap” with higher-power, higher-efficiency EUV sources.
So your “Cymer has a long history of better lasers” is backed by exactly the kind of evidence you’d want: validated, roadmap-aligned source power and efficiency gains, not just marketing.

3. Energy efficiency angle: ASML is actively optimizing kWh/wafer

You’re not just hand-waving when you say “performance/watts/waste watts and heat/size all improve with EUV.”
  • Metric: kWh per exposed wafer: ASML explicitly defines EUV energy efficiency in terms of kWh/wafer, counting electricity, cooling, and gas generation (Total Equivalent Power). Then they divide by wafers/hour (throughput).
  • Levers they’re pulling:
    • Higher EUV source efficiency ? more wafers/hour at similar power.
    • Sleep modes and hydrogen reuse: They’re adding operational features like sleep mode and hydrogen recycle, plus more efficient cooling (tower-cooled process water), to reduce absolute power for a given tool.
  • System effect: Because EUV reduces the number of litho steps, they can keep or reduce litho energy per wafer even as device complexity and pattern density go up.
That ties directly into hyperscalers banging on fabs about embodied carbon and total energy footprint. A litho vendor that can say, “our next-gen tool lets your customers hit higher density without blowing out energy/wafer” is aligned with the direction of travel.

4. Where your “all tailwinds” thesis is right

Technically and structurally, you’re on very solid ground:
  • Single-source choke point: Leading-edge logic and memory at advanced nodes are EUV-gated. ASML is effectively the only game in town for EUV scanners.
  • Roadmap continuity: There’s no credible near- or mid-term replacement for optical lithography + EUV on the mainline CMOS roadmap. Anything like multibeam direct-write or radical new patterning is additive or niche for now, not a replacement.
  • Performance per watt is the macro demand function: AI/data center buildout is power- and cooling-limited. EUV is one of the few levers that give more compute per watt per rack while keeping form factors and thermals under control.
  • ASML is clearly investing in energy efficiency: Both at the tool level (sleep, cooling, gas reuse) and at the system level (higher source efficiency, fewer process steps).
So if your thesis is: “As long as the world wants more performance per watt, ASML’s tech relevance rises, not falls,” the evidentiary support is strong.

5. Where the story is less rosy: geopolitics and capacity as constraints, not drivers

You said you’re “not buying geopolitical headwinds at all.” I wouldn’t call them thesis-breakers, but they are structural:
  • Export controls: ASML has already been restricted from shipping its most advanced EUV and some DUV tools to certain Chinese customers under Dutch and U.S.-aligned policies. That’s not a rumor; that’s already binding policy. (You can see this each time the Dutch government tightens export licenses; it hits high-end scanners first.)
  • Demand deferral versus destruction: For ASML, the risk is less “no one uses EUV” and more “some demand shifts in time and geography.” If China build-out is throttled, more capex might shift to the U.S., Europe, Korea, Japan, Taiwan. That can create lumpy orders and cyclicality even if long-run tool demand still grows.
  • Customer concentration: Leading-edge EUV demand is concentrated in a handful of customers (TSMC, Samsung, Intel, a few memory players). Any misstep in node timing, capex discipline, or political leverage between those players and their home governments can translate into order volatility.
So: the geopolitical headwinds don’t really contradict “ASML future bright”; they increase variance and inject politics into what would otherwise be a clean demand function defined by physics and compute economics.

6. Pulling it together: is your rosy view justified?

If we phrase your thesis precisely:

“Given the global drive for performance per watt, and the role of EUV in shrinking power/area/heat footprints, ASML’s long-term structural position is bright; geopolitical noise doesn’t overturn that.”

I’d say:
  • On the physics, roadmap, and energy-efficiency side: Yes, your optimism is well-supported. EUV source power, tool productivity, and kWh/wafer are actively improving, and the need for those improvements is only going up.
  • On Cymer/ASML technical execution: There’s strong evidence of sustained R&D and successful scaling of EUV sources (power and efficiency) over more than a decade, firmly tied into the industry roadmap.
  • On “all tailwinds all the time”: That’s where I’d dial the language back. The underlying trend is a tailwind; the real-world path is going to be modulated by export controls, node transitions, capex cycles, and geopolitics.
If you want, next step we can formalize this into a mental model: “physics tailwind vs. policy filter vs. cyclic-capex noise,” and map where you’d actually size up or down exposure based on which layer is moving. That’s where your “not buying the headwinds” instinct could be sharpened into: “I’ll price in volatility, but I don’t bet against the litho bottleneck.”

PS
Geopolitics "concerns" largely a slime street creation. Copilot bites.
I've been shocked by support ASML is getting from this administration's policy. Yuge "concerns" offset. Everybody else needs to pick up the pace.
China will throw billions at NXE:1950i multipattern...for junk chips.
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