Oh, factual clarification of history from exhaustive 3 day study I once did in Apache Junction where a lot of occultists had obviously donated a wealth of obscure knowledge and religious enclopedias dealing mostly with the dark side. So I was able to do an exhaustive study of your exact statement, also spoken by Christians, that drums have always been part of Christianity.
First of all, in the entire bible the word "drums" does not exist. It is not there. The only word vaguely meaning drum is "timbrel" or small hand held drum (I believe we will all agree that is in fact the famborine)." Great sound, the tamborine. Jesus loves tamborines I would just bet, and I'm sure enjoyed them a lot himself.
Looking at drums in the Brittanica and the Encylopedfia of religion,
apparently the drum came into being NOT as a musical instrument, but was from the first used by all humans who decided they were a direct path to the darkness and established themselves as such, they used the beating of drums both to summon spirits, and because the cadance "had the hypnotic effect of putting the listeners into a receptive state" is I believe the description of drums. The studies of all known facts on drums is that there was none in Christianity until after the first century, when they were slowly introduced--guess how--by newly converted pagans.
GOOOOO----OOOOOO---LEEEEE! Go figure. But then they seem to have gotten rid of them and by the time the Romish church took, over at least the drums were not there.
It's all in history. Look it up. The devil has always demanded drums, the study of ancient civilizations records how the drums were mostly to drown out the screaming of the babies. Not a nice subject, but you brought it up and after all, anything goes here, right.
Sorry for so much fact. But like I said, better than a lie.
Now the other gives a wonderful opportunity to bring up the fact that the creation is being destroyed and those who love the Creator the most are doing the least about it. Seemingly insane.
As a Christian most of us would adore nature or the creation anyway, but you tend to adore nature -- NOT WORSHIP IT AS A FAMILIAR SPIRIT -- with a passion as part of the personality of God. Herefore, it is like part of yourself. (The nice thing is the Christians don't grab a living creature and kill it to please mother earth. Or child, or handsome virgin.
Not going on? Oh. o.k.
So, knowing this, why aren't they in the desperately needed Eco movements? The only reason they AREN'T in the ecological movement is because it IS SO FULL OF KNOWN PRACTICING PAGANS. High up in goverment, or low down in the community, that is why they run from it.
Very, very sad. They just can't jump in bed with pagans even there.
So, you're right. They are in denial. They also see it as I do.
Can't stop anything. All of the hair spray I used in LA is just now
reaching the ozone. All of the hairspray going on all those heads today will not do the real damamge until 2026. My hairspray from LA days is doing the damage right now. That's always comforting.
I'll be out of here by then I hope. No frogs, no birds, no fun.
I'm just speaking pure fact here. When I went to the Earth First thing in Eureka when they were on their march to SF from Eureka way last year, I went there because one of the guys in our student/homeless thing some of the brethren were doing was working his way up to a high level of leadership. I told him I would like to pray for them before they left, and he said, be there.
He is completely pagan. Just liked the delicious free food. The brethren put on pure home cooked feasts once a month for who so ever would come. Period. Who so ever.
At the courthouse there was a vigil for a couple of days before the march. This couple has set up a mother goddess shrine at the courthouse lawn, and a little candle and a burnt out over the hill 60's hippy in a robe looking like an idiot sat their crossed legged meditating over the trees. I went over and said, "I represent Jesus, who made the trees. Since your mother goddess doesn't exist, can I pray for the trees in the name of Father God who did?" The woman with him looked infuriated, but he solemnly nodded yes, and I prayed there. Big old loud prayer. Shouted to Father God in Heaven to protect his trees and bless those who cared about them more than some of us did. That was the night before.
On the day they left I went down and was hanging around and talking to a couple of them. Then I felt stupid and left before they did, as they were hanging and hanging and hanging around the courthouse, and it was like a children's crusade, totally in chaos and half of them didn't even have money to eat on the way to SF. But I thought maybe they resented me hanging around to pray for them. (Yes, I did go in on the food fund.)
That night I looked and the TV news showed almost all of them in a huge circle holding hands right before they left, and most everyone had their heads down, looking very, very reverent as the newcaster spoke about their journey over the tape.
Heads down is always a good sign. Pagans hate that reverence--they like to tilt their little faces toward the sun god. So, I believe that they did in fact get prayed over, by themselves, and for themselves. And they made it to SF, and at last I remember the Head Waters area was saved, and all that could happen ever was one small road into it to haul out any fallen trees already on the ground.
In the end, when you're dealing with the creation, even the pagans come back a little and cop to the reality it all didn't just pop up one day out of a huge mass of hardened flaming gasses.
So you see, I love pagans myself. Some of the great saints of history were once pagans, actually. Tons of them. I just don't fraternize or argue with souls already sold to satan for favors returned. Why? Because it is a repulsive experience, and I don't feel it helps them or helps God.
Has anyone answered all of your good feminist perspective questions?
They were good questions, and I'm sure you have gotten many answers.
I just can't stand discussing female issues other than in the old days when we asked each other if we looked good on the way out the door to find--you got it, guys!! |
