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Pastimes : Ask God

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To: PROLIFE who wrote (15308)5/7/1998 10:38:00 PM
From: Grainne  Read Replies (1) of 39621
 
>> I could easily do a search and find plenty of quotes from the Bible that are very
harshly dominating towards women.<<

ok do so.>>

Okay, DCF, here are some Bible verses:

And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy
wife; Then shalt thou bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall
put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father a full month; and
after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no
delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will. Deut. 21:11-14

Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men shall stone her with stones that
she die. Psalms 137:9

Behold the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall
destroy the sinners thereof out of it . . . Everyone that is found shall be thrust through; and everyone that is joined
unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be
spoiled, and wives ravished. Isaiah 13:9,15,16

Therefore, the Lord will strike with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the Lord will
discover their secret parts. Isaiah 3:17

It is good for a man not to touch a woman. I Cor. 7:1

And he said throw her down, so they threw her down, and some of her blood was sprinkled on the wall, and on the
horses; and he trode her underfoot. And when he was come in he did eat and drink and said, Go see now this
cursed woman. And they went to bury her, but they found no more of her than the skull and the feet, and the palms
of her hands. II Kings 9:33-35

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? . . . Now therefore kill every male among the little
ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known
a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31: 15-18

ll the women therein that were with child he ripped up. II Kings 15:16

hus were both daughters of Lot with child by their father. Gen. 19:36

I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye them as is
good in your eyes. Gen. 19:8

So the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night
until the morning. Judges 19:25

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<>> all the deaths in the Inquisition for example, and the extent of domestic violence
in America, make strong statements. <<

yes they do. they make the statement that men were not followers of Christ or they
would not be acting this way.>>

This shows that you don't understand the history of Europe. The Catholic Church, and to a much lesser degree other Christians, burned women at the stake by design, and priests implored men from the pulpit to beat their women, to control them. In agrarian, rural, Europe, men and women had worked in the fields side by side, and the women were very important, and they worshipped gods and goddesses. This was very threatening to the Christians who were taking over Europe.

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Unfortunately, many Christian men commit acts of domestic violence. Are you saying that these men are not really followers of Christ? Who are you to decide that?

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<>>Did you know that early Celtic women in Ireland owned property on their own,<<>could leave their marriages every year simply by walking out on February first?
<<

This was progress? this is good? God says two become one.>>

The point here is that women were not considered property by the early Celts, and shared property equally in their marriages. Today in Ireland, which of course was taken over by the Catholic church, there is no divorce, and if a couple separates, or if the woman becomes a widow, she is entitled to less than half of his estate. Before Chritianity there was less male domination of women.

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>> but I think it is a mistake to assume that religious belief systems have been
benign or positive on the general history of man.<<

So let's hear your better way Christine.>>

How about letting people who are believers believe, and end discrimination against those who don't (and stop calling them satanic, which is just ridiculous). How about totally separating church and state, and ending discrimination against homosexuals and Jews?
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