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Greetings Sam, << The people espousing these idiocies of theology will be above learning.....>>. You are correct Sam when it comes to learning what comes from " fallen " man via the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which you are chief administrator at this point in time on this thread. We who believe that Jesus is the Christ, have been born from above and receive " Eternal Life " ( now). It is this Life that gives all born -again believers the true knowledge within our spirits that we belong to the One and Only true God, because of His Son , the Lord Jesus Christ. You Sam speak from the futility of a " fallen " mans mind when you attempt to understand the bible. You , like all mankind have inherited this " fallen " nature. It is not what one does that makes one a sinner, it is what we are at birth, that makes us such. The difference between us Sam is that I came to that place where the Holy Spirit made me aware of my unbelief and my need for my Saviour, Jesus Christ. What you are doing Sam has been done throughout the centuries using every device and method, and that is to believe the " lie " born in the garden of Eden stating by satan; " that you shall be as God, knowing good and evil". The fruit of this lie is for man to believe he can live independantly from his Creator and find meaning and purpose. What utter folly and hopelessness. 1John5:1, " Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. 11. " And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son." 12. " He who has the Son has the life; He who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. Real truth Sam is a Person, the Lord Jesus Christ. May the Holy One of Israel have mercy on you and cause you to see your sin and need for the Saviour ,Jesus Christ. Robert |