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Gold/Mining/Energy : Strictly: Drilling and oil-field services

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To: mph who wrote (23594)6/7/1998 9:28:00 PM
From: Challo Jeregy  Read Replies (1) of 95453
 
mph and all . . .

This article in Barron's is an interview with a
private funds manager, Joseph L. Toms. The interview
is concerning the downturn of the overall market and
why this usual bull is turning bearish. Overall tone
of interview makes you want to short the S&P; however,
the following excerpt made my ears turn up . . .

Q: Everybody fights the last war. Our grandparents never stopped
worrying about the next depression. We spent our formative years in gas
lines.

A: Yes, yes, yes. Inflation is the wrong bogeyman. I also believe that the
oil-price drop is not a positive for this market, but a negative.

Q: Are you smoking something funny out there in California? How can
paying less at the pump be a negative?

A: One, the news of the oil-price drop is already in the market; we all know
it. Two, the magnitude of the drop can't be explained simply by the excess
supply. So lack of demand has obviously played a major role in this price
decline. My argument is that a lack of demand means a slowing global
economy -- and how do you support stock prices in a slowing global
economy? I think a lot of people have been diverted by OPEC's squabbling
and overlooked the lack of demand. My final point is, what's likely to happen
to oil prices in the future? While it may not happen, we have created the
incentive for OPEC to find a way to limit supply.

Q: But they never get along for long.
A: Maybe so, but low oil prices are already
factored into the stock market. So suppose OPEC
were successful in getting the price of oil up 40%
from here. Is that in the market? I think the answer
is no. So your risk parameters with oil are very
poor. The good news is out. And it's masking the
slowdown in demand and also the potential for
OPEC to limit supplies in a way that increases the
price of oil at a time when the economy is slowing
-- which could be a real double whammy. It's
always the things that people don't take into
account that get the market. If we all know something exists, it has been
discounted in the market and it's not that big an issue.

Q: None of this sounds very healthy for a market trading at historically
high valuations. Then again, they've been off the charts for years now.

A: Valuations only matter in a critical sense at a certain place in the cycle.
You can have high valuations in a rapidly expanding economy -- and they may
be sustained for a long time by the combination of that rapid expansion and
the bullishness that it creates. People's attitudes toward the news create this
driver to valuations that allows them to sustain themselves -- perhaps
unreasonably -- but for a long time. To me, the critical issue of valuation
comes into play when there is a divergence in the economic trend relative to
the valuation level. Meaning that when stocks are very depressed and the
economy picks up, they have nowhere to go but up. Or, in this case, I'd argue
that it matters that valuations are at all-time highs now -- even though it didn't
a couple of years ago -- because the economic trend is starting to deteriorate,
and so these valuations can't be sustained. They now discount any potential
good news completely.



The entire interview is very interesting and worth
reading if you have access . . .

interactive.wsj.com

Challo (Go Bulls!!!)
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