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To: Mitch Blevins who wrote (79)	8/22/1998 5:38:00 PM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (1) of 484

EC - I agree with most you say, but... Usually you can map (thru gpm) an obscure mouse sequence to initiate an orderly shutdown (hold down the left mouse button while triple-clicking the right) or to switch to a different console. # serial mice may lock up if the keyboard does.. I had a lockup in X of the keyboard AND mouse. I tried to load a bad version of netscape. If the lockup is just X-related, you can use a different virtual console to initiate an orderly shutdown, or just to kill X (which will usually get back control without having to reboot). # true unless there is no input. One could telnet to the machine on a network and kill that process with root su. Unless that has been firewall disabled for security... that is assuming X has not locked out other processes I think the robustness of Linux can not be emphasized enough. I've been running it for almost 1 year, and have _never_ had to hard reboot (push the reset button on the front of the computer). I have had to involutarily reboot to restore system sanity only twice, and this is because I was "pushing the envelope". Read: using a beta Window Manager while using two simultaneous input devices (mouse and tablet) under high load. # well you deserve what you get. X may crash because of racing problems especially under fast mouse clicks. This could be resolved with a better windows paradigm than X. I have hinted at its probable need. I think so have others. It could be done. I agree that Netscape is under-par compared with the rest of the system, and I've had it crash out on numerous occasions. But I've never had it take X with it. # it can take the whole computer. Don't sit too close to removable drives as they can eject with force! One such crash sent a copy of "Elvis' Last Days at Graceland" CD out a window and it supposed to be still in low earth orbit. BTW - Have you heard of the Berlin project? It is a non-X based windowing system/desktop environment being designed to address many of the shortcomings of X. Currently vaporware, but interesting. Sorry, don't have the URL handy. # And KDE and GNOME. If they use X they will always have the problem of conflicts with calls and focus. It is a long route to the server throuhg X and it cannot be fixed by X grafts or front ends. I advocate something which can co-exist but replace X with fundamental departure in windowing philosophy. # Such a system was written for the SUN and could be ported for little cash. It was bug free click and create window and rezize that ran with a Postcript output. And it had a TCL/tk interface. I see $ at the end of that loop. EC<:-}

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