" No, it cuts directly to the heart of the matter and you're attempting as best you can to distance your stance away from
that central fact--that Americans died in a hideous bombing perpetrated by cowardly terrorists backed by countries such as
Sudan. By the way, I don't need to live in the Sahara Desert to know that it's hot or what that feels like."
The heart of the issue of my question to you was not the feelings of the surviving family members of the bombing victims. Nor had it anything to do with what you call the "central fact". My questions issue(and I do know this since I know why I asked it) was concerning your blanket statements that you don't care if other people were hurt by a US attack. Your rationale(if I have understood it correctly is that it serves the population right for living in a country that supports(your view) terrorism.
Yes one can know it is hot in a desert without having been there, but if the only experience one has of a foreign peoples and their customs,culture and political views is via the domestic media i e US, then one is not getting the entire picture. That is the central issue of my question to you. IF that is the case, then fine. You may feel that is all you need to know, and it works for you. Some of us are not satisfied with that. We would like a wider perspective.
Just living in Europe as an American is an eye opener. Many europeans see the US as a spoiled child in a candy shoppe, who whenever things don't go the way they want, they throw a temper tantrum. I have had to deal with these kinds of attitudes from my peers at times. I have also had to deal with the fact that my way of life and my way of thinking is not the "ONLY" way, when it comes to politics.
"Too bad. I can."
It seems by your comment that you have never known poverty. I mean real poverty.
"Have you ever worked in law enforcement? I haven't but I work closely with them. Small time dealers go to jail all the
time. Many of them lead the police to big suppliers and many times they ALL go to jail including the small timer."
A close friend of mine, worked Nark for the Riverside Police Department for 12 years. That is extremely long to be in that division considering the covert nature of the job. When his daughter was school age, he finally switched over to homicide. And yes, many dealers walked, or did minimal time ie 6 months to a year for aiding the apprehension of their suppliers. On several occasions, the same dealer would walk more then once on seperate accounts.
"Wrong. Have you ever worked with drug addicted people? They can smell crap from a mile away. It's a nice fantasy but it
would more likely get someone shot then anything else."
First hand. Guy who almost killed me was an addict. Girlfriend became an addict, left me and began dealing for a motercycle gang. Several of the people I grew up with ruined their lives(some died) because of drugs.
"Why don't you try sticking with reality for a change rather than a silly series of "what if's" that make no sense
whatsoever. Yeah, if we had our hands on Pablo Escobar we'd just pat him on the head and away he goes. I don't think
so."
Extradition is not uncommon even in the US. Also the situation was hypothetical as I not convinced that the Columbian government would ever take such a stance, but of course since I do not know the intimate details of Columbian politics, it is not for me to say.
"Gee, is anyone surprised at this? I wondered when this "card" would be played."
My comment about rasism was attributed to your "you are either a supporter, or an opposer" comment. I gathered that your view was that opposing something constitutes a unified effort by the country. No detractors, and the same for supporting.
"Uh 'scuse me but this isn't Sweden. I don't know what they do there but here in America, Congress makes the laws not
the President. If he is doing cocaine and gets caught the laws as passed by the Congress will amply punish him and are
not diminished in the least. So his breaking that law has nothing to do with our government's support against drugs."
Sweden has a tough stance on drugs. Although sentencing of criminals is much lighter compared to the US, there are no deals period. The market here is tough considering that it cost alot more to maintain a habit then in the US.
My question concerning "the big if on Clintons purported drug use" was pure speculation. Of course in light of current events, it is hard to not give any new allegations towards the President any credibility.
"Well, we have a whole contigent of left-wing whackos that would be willing to throw anyone in jail for owning
anything stronger than a water pistol. For some that's a start. Let me qualify this, In the last 20 years,I can't recall one
terrorist, whether foreign or domestic, that has been tried in a courtroom in the United States and set free. Can you name
one? OJ doesn't count. You'll notice I said the last 20 years. I didn't want to bring the Chicago Seven in to the
discussion."
Depends on what you consider a terrorist. The religious fanatical type who bombs innocent people to prove a point? Probably very few if any.
Militant vegan types who think letting tens of thousands of minks loose from farms, or bombing research facilities that do animal experiments? Maybe some, couldn't recite any case numbers.
Drug dealing gangbangers who use terrorism as an intimidation tactic to maintain their market share? Many.
Your premise is that the Sudan government supports terrorists because they have terrorists in their country, and therefore this must constitute harboring and abetting. Of course your view is based upon what you have garnered from the US media. What do you know of Sudanese policy concerning terrorists? I know that I do not know the details. And you? You seem to have already made up your mind that Sudan is pro terrorist.
Maybe that is why some fundamentalists in other countries maintain that we Americans are pro drugs because we have so many traffickers living and peddling their junk here.
Of course if the President of the US and the Pentagon say that the attack was motivated, then it must be true(yes I am being sarcastic)
Yes I am an American. I have stated that several times before.
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