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To: E who wrote (5871)	9/6/1998 6:22:00 PM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (2) of 12754

I attempt to mute no one. Ony two attempts at extermination? I don't know about extermination but how about mass murder? From Genghis Khan and much before it has been a popular sport. The Cro-Magnons probably wiped out the neandrethals. No, I think if you look at Suharto, the Catholic church the Expulsion of the Moors in Spain, Mao Tse Tung, Stalin, Vlad the Impaler and quite a few others you will see that mass murder of those other guys was common practice. The Ojibway killed a majority of the Mohawks and the Mohawk killed just about every last Huron. To make a religious persecution a special case is a fatal mistake. It is yet another case of mass murder of a group. It comes from the same origins. It targets a group who are different in a way however small. Persecution of the Jews and burning them at the stake by the Catholic church for several hundred years was the most popular roast on the stand up circuit in Europe. Popes offed about 6 million Jews in the middle ages. Spain and Italy were their common refuges, where in Spain they hid amongst the Celts who herded Marino sheep. Hitler did not start it. He just accelerated the process. He became a secular reformation Pope. The Hutu-Tutsi rivalry is at least 100 years old. One group was the land barons the other the vassals. There are about 30 such serious tribal rivalries in Africa. The attempt to get a fair government elected through the easily corrupted party system of Canada and the US is doomed. How could you get popular candidates on the roll? The parties are controlled by a few power meisters. Without the approval of Dalton Camp you would never get a conservative who was honest on the ticket. Without the Rockefellers and the Tri-lateral commission approval you could never get a good live candidate into the primaries or into congress. If they think you are political material but too pure for them you will be picked off early by assassination of one form or another. It is evident that the easily corrupted and manipulated electoral system must go to get fair government. If all the qualified people, some 6 million of them were put in a pool and 1000 selected for 7 years government service by ticket lottery how could it be corrupted? I suppose their are ways but there are fewer and more difficult than the present money and power crony system that abuses the candidates that money and power don't want. If the 1000 Americans were paid 300K per year and all expenses and life pensions they would mostly be above corruption. The service would be mandatory. Only health could disallow you. This guarantees racial, sexual and all social class representation. State and area favourtism is stupid anyway. States could have their own lottery gov'ts. You would not have to change the constitution in any other way. For one year the board would not serve but receive training in law and constitution. The boards would overlap by one year. We are talking the top 10% of the population who would not be able to serve before 30 years of age and not past 70. A fair lottery might be an open algorithm seeded by a natural fluctuation of some sort, perhaps the flow of the Mississippi. So the process is open and checkable. The only higher authority than the board would be the constitution. The Big C could be changed only by referenda. Remember at one time Parliamentary democracy operated by fair process and respected petitions. They did away with fair electoral process and private members bills and the power of a member to question government spending. We now have party dictatorship. It is no longer democracy. Democracy in the US is impractical so we have a representative government. It is our choice to pick amongst the prop ups of the oligarchy in power. Better we do it by chance. Would a picked board fear to shrink the civil service? Would they have to cater to SIGs to get elected? Would they be the handpicks of the military industrial complex? They would be the people's jury. Cities are free to take this process for alderman and may be the first to adopt it. EC<:-}

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