Hi David; I enjoyed your post, I would like to kick the idea down the road some. I'm afraid I'm not ready with the words needed to make the part I want as clear as I would like it to be. I found that if a person has a big equation and solves for one part (sometimes the easiest part,) then the rest of the equation becomes more simple. There are diversities of all kinds , many the average trader never sees. The one I think will make the equation simpler and one that I'm sure impacts the market very strongly is the S&P500 Futures, I think they are called Spoos. I don't trade them but have watched them trade a lot. ------------------------------- While I'm aware that most of the trading in Spoos is by Funds that track the S&P step for step, similar to the spider SPY, however also a lot of mutual funds have been born in the last two years that do the same thing. Roughly; They use an arbitrage system of program trading that calculates Fair valve of the Spoos based on what they can borrow money at, less the dividend of the S&P to find the F.V., then if the futures get 33% above that they sell the futures, and buy a basket of stocks, also the other way around if futures drop below FV about 33% they sell a basket of stocks to buy the Futures. It's sort of like what is it cheaper to own on margin , the stocks or the futures. this is just a rough outline, to get detailed it would be to lengthy and many readers would get turned off. ( Spoos are the S&P Future contracts ) ------------------------------ This type of trading has a focus that when the Stocks are bought and sold the ones with the highest market cap are traded more than their little brothers. This creates what I often term the Mo Mo, ( momentum stocks ) in up markets the big caps have to be bought not based on FA value but primarily on market cap in order for the funds to track the index. Stocks that by way of hook or crook have gotten their market cap up become more and more the beneficiary of the effect. Then for them to sell down it drops the index and that can force all stocks down, as people worry about getting out of the thinner traded stocks they most often sell off to a greater extent. ----------------------------- What I driving at is Stocks do not trade on their own merits, and the effect of the Cap weighted index causes a large commingled effect with big caps dominating the actual over all trend. This effect has greatly increased in the last two years, and without some basic changes in the rules of how program trading can be carried out it will get more prominent in the future. ------------------------------ I'll add more later, but if we put politics aside..and look at the mechanics of this it's ironically Communistic, and has defeated the based on merit system with stock value floating in a free market, more ironic is the fact that the persons who created it are the same ones who hate communism. Jim |