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To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (1342)	10/5/1998 10:24:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) of 1542

This is the best I can do for now. As you've learned from your earlier Islamic research there is a difference between weak Hadith and Strong Hadith. A strong hadith can be triangulated to show that the meaning or interpretation of what was said is very strong and confirms the message of the Quran. There are two kinds of weak hadith. One kind is a hadith that is not verified by having been repeated to various followers on different occassions but is confirmed by the Quran. It is authenticated and the meaning seems obvious so it is still held as a valid Hadith. The other type of weak hadith is one where what exactly was said and what was clearly meant is contested or unclear and confirmation can't be found in the Quran. The Quran always over rides the Hadith since the Hadith is a snapshot of the messengers example. We are not walking in his footsteps so its not 100 percent applicable and we may not be relating it properly to our current situation. We shouldn't have the same problem with the Quran if we are studying it in earnest. The Hadith on this subject seems to be the weakest type. Those who support female circumcission maintain that the holy Prophet said that cut (clitoris) lightly so that you can and they can have pleasure (of sex). But those who oppose female circumsission maintain that the Holy Prophet never recommended it. In any case the Qur'an is totally silent on the issue. There is no mention of it at all. And the fact that it is mostly practiced in African Muslim countries shows that it was imbibed from African tribes. In many non-Muslim African tribes it is practiced in much severer form. Since the Bohras are followers of Fatimi Imams and there was rule of Fatimi Imams in North Africa it is certain that the practice was imbibed from there. There is no saying of the prophet which prohibits female circumcission. So it cannot be proved from Prophet's saying that female circumcission should not be practiced. Also, there is no unanimity that the Prophet recommended it. Only few Muslims insist on it. In India it is practiced only among the Bohras, no one else. So you have conflicting interpretations. Are we talking about some sort of nic that is supposed to enhance sexual pleasure of both the man and the woman (this resembles the hadith you refered to)and the profit was just saying it was ok for them he was not saying everybody is required to perform this act; or are we refering to complete removal of the clitoris (female mutilation) to keep the woman from straying off to have sexual pleasure outside of marriage. This second perspective would not be consistant with all of the other Hadith on the subject of marriage where Mohammad (pbuh) urges men to consider the needs of their partners to have extensive forplay etc. It does not lend itself to the typical hadith that guide us in a peaceful coexistance. In any event this Hadith does not pass the authenticity requirements that the Islamic community typically maintains. One dissappointing aspect for me in all this is that it doesn't appear that the Islamic Nations are going to take a stand on the issue.

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