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To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (1349)10/10/1998 3:47:00 AM
From: Raymond James Norris  Read Replies (2) of 1542
 
As a result, when these pagans were converted to Islam, why would Allah fail to reveal to these pagans, now Islamic people, something that was so important to him?

What are you talking about? How is Tawafa "so important Him?" According to the Hadith, the people did perform Tawafa before becoming Muslims:

When Allah referred to the Tawaf of the Ka'ba and did not mention Safa and Marwa in the Quran, the people asked, 'O Allah's Apostle! We used to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa and Allah has revealed (the verses concerning) Tawaf of the Ka'ba and has not mentioned Safa and Marwa. Is there any harm if we perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?'


The People who were Pagans but reverted to Islam wanted to know whether or not it was permissible to perform Tawafa between Safa and Marwa. They used to do it as Pagans and noticed God did not include it in a particular surah. So they asked the Prophet concerning it and verses were revealed.

Peforming Tawafa is no way "essential" to being Muslim.

.I would think, logically, that a perfect God and a perfect book would not leave any stone unturned and end anything that had pagan descent.

There is no pagan descent. I told you it was Hagar who performed the Tawafa originally while looking for water.

And you cannot deny, the Hadith clearly states they did not perform Tawaf between the 2 mountains because of the pagan sun goddess.

Unfortunately I can, as the question arose from something that the Pagans had once did and were asking whether or not it was still permissible. Look at what Abu Bakr replied and the answer is there. It's clear that the Pagans had performed the Tawafa before being Muslims:

Abu Bakr said, "It seems that this verse was revealed concerning the two groups, those who used to refrain from Tawaf between Safa and Marwa in the Pre-lslamic Period of ignorance and those who used to perform the Tawaf then, and after embracing Islam they refrained from the Tawaf between them as Allah had enjoined Tawaf of the Ka'ba and did not mention Tawaf (of Safa and Marwa) till later after mentioning the Tawaf of the Ka'ba.'


. And when the Qu'ran was given, your "so called" perfect book by your "so called" perfect God Allah, why would have Allah left out some real important detail to him?

So called? How about getting some manners and learning what "Tact" means.

One that would invalidate the Tawaf completely, something so important to perform?

Why is it "so important to perform?"

Something Allah revealed to Muhammad later, that if you did not do it, Tawaf was not completed successfully?

Steve, again your misunderstanding of the facts and in this case specifically, the meanings of words has totally made this issue "difficult." There is no problem unless one has insufficient understanding on the subject.

"Tawfa" is not some ritual that includes going between the Safa and Marwa. "Tawfa" simply means going back and forth between. People do "Tawfa" around the Ka'ba while praising God and they do "Tawfa" between Safa and Marwa, again, while Praising God. "Tawfa" is not completing both of these functions. It's not "unsuccessful" if someone leaves out a part or something.

It doesn't "invalidate" Tawfa, because Tawfa can't really be invalidated. It is simply the act of going around or between two things while praising God.

Peace be unto you,
Norris

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