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Technology Stocks : How high will Microsoft fly?
MSFT 479.14-1.6%3:02 PM EST

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To: keithsha who wrote (11352)10/16/1998 2:54:00 PM
From: ToySoldier  Read Replies (1) of 74651
 
You have got to stop putting your foot in your mouth Keithsha. Let me help you - do some reading before you make such outragiously incorrect and biased statements! You must work for MSFT because the famous MSFT FUD that you are spewing here is beyond believable and can only be created by a MSFT employee.

You clearly do not know what Line-of-business apps are, and you also did not read my answers to you that you so intensely demanded from me.

"Line of Business apps are more than file, print or net administration. They directly support the business processes."

NetWare servers perform all different types of operations including file/print, code transfer, database server functioning, and NLM application execution. So your right in that LOB apps are more than file and print, but you seem to believe that LOB do not include file/print. As for FoxPro, DBase, Access database application LOB's only being simple data/code transfers - I guess you never have developed a network-friendly application using these products on a network. In order to provide reliable transactions they must integrate into a TTS system so that any possible failure can be recovered. Something a simple NOS cannot provide. Another typical MSFT FUD statement.

As for the stability of NLMs. As if MSFT is one to talk about executable reliability. Nope, I never ever heard of an NT app. GPFing (remember the term "Blue Screen of Death")! I haven't ever witnessed an NT executable freezing or failing that required the server to be re-booted. What a LAME argument Keithsha! For every NLM abend, there are 5-10 GPF or application freezes that need rebooting of an NT server. The nice thing about NetWare that is not possible in NT is that if a NetWare server does Abend, it can actually trap it and isolate it so that the server can operate in 95% of the cases until the server can be rebooted at a better time. Not so for your NT baby!
By the way, Notes was stopped in the next NetWare release for a business and perceived marketing reason - not because of NLM flakiness. And IBM even make a subsequent statement that they may reconsider developing to NetWare in the future. Get your facts straight!

Now lets go to your next "Foot-and-Mouth" statement...

"We'll have to see if Java and Corba apps gain significant share."

Typical MSFT-biased statement. The fact that every major OEM and vendor other than MSFT is supporting and promoting Java and CORBA would have no impact to the success of these technologies. I hate to tell you but as you blindly keep your head in the MSFT sand back in Redmond, IT players all around you are developing applications in both these areas. IBM is the biggest of these players although ORACLE, NOVELL, SUN, and several others are also pushing this. And, a lot of this heavy push to these technologies has a lot to do with the "Do it to stop MSFT's propriatary concepts". But no one will convince a person like you that non-MSFT solutions exist.

As for the Merc., nice try to downplay and cast doubt about what they are doing and the stages they are in. The point is that they will be running their trading system off of NetWare and NT and OS/2 will be pulled out! I have no doubt that there will be a few NT servers in there - likely to satisfy point solutions - but even these NT servers will be controlled via NDS.

Now for your last piece of BS!!!

"NT application servers can also provide file and print services. I can't reliably run apps on Netware. As for directory service, NT has over 600 applications (not utilities) that integrate with it's directory to Netware's 30+"

First, NT can provide file/print - very unreliably and at a higher cost than NetWare (Gartner Group stated that for every 1 NW server a company requires 5 NT servers to equal performance) - but you are right in that statement.

But as for your next statement. MSFT DOES NOT HAVE A DIRECTORY SERVICE!!! So please explain to me how a company without a DS has 600 applications integrated into its non-existant DS? List even a few of them?

Lets say it again: MSFT DOES NOT HAVE A DIRECTORY! Understand?

Where the hell did you come up with 30+ NDS based apps? Did your MSFT Marketing Department give these FUD figures? Talk about irresponsible spewing of MSFT propaganda. These statements go very well into the MSFT Revisionist histroy concept that I have heard talked about on this board.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BUDDY!!

So now - with all that said, try answering my questions in my last posting to you about exactly what you were talking about regarding NDS error codes and crap like that. And lets discuss the Domain problems that any NT shops of any scale can likely attest to.

Domains being a Directory - LOL!!!! What a joke! You cant handle a true Directory Service! (Jack N. statement)

Try leaving the redmond office and learning what else is out there instead of trusting the FUD that MSFT's propaganda team is so good at putting out!

Toy
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