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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!!

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To: Thomas C. White who wrote (3285)	2/14/1997 4:29:00 PM
From: Rambi	of 108807

1. I agree completely with this. He DID change everything. THe Romantics would love to claim him as one of their own. He was a trendsetter, he gave them permission to break the rules that he stretched, but why do you think it isn't important that he valued the forms? He felt they were essential and that's why he was so controlled in his use of them. 2. Tempestuousness (word?)just isn't an argument for Romanticism. It never overwhelmed the unity of his works which had very definite centers and harmonic structure, and was not nearly as dissonant as the Rs. The transition you speak of in the Fifth flows from the theme of the Scherzo (3rd m.)and builds to the 4th, which is...A Sonata!!! The Fifth is considered to be THE consummate example of symphonic logic. He kept the form! With a new twist! I know we could go on ad nauseum (some might say we have). Will you allow that he was a true classicist in his early stages if I'll allow that much of the last works contain elements that could be thought of as romantic (ouch ouch)? Someone did call him Janus-like. looking back and yet guiding others forward.

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