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To: Shane Geary who wrote (53942)	4/2/1999 12:48:00 PM
From: Process Boy	Read Replies (1) of 1571070

Gary - Very well said. I would make the case that Intel's overall process technology and process control efforts are world beating, but I am extremely biased, since that's my gig ;-)). I'm sure that AMD is not choc full of incompetents though. Generally what you are saying is exactly my point. Gary said: "That's really the point. This thread is so polarised now that people won't believe it, but AMD are quite well respected for process technology (and, yes, process control) by those who actually work in the fabrication side of the industry." "For example, in my area of expertise AMD have (well, up to very recently) two of the very top-tier process guys: Harry Levinson and Bill Arnold. Both are extremely well published (unlike equivalents in Intel, but that's another issue) and respected in the industry. Bill Arnold was the chair of the lithography section of the National Technology Roadmap for Semiconductors (1997 edition) although has recently left to become Chief Scientist at ASML. Harry Levinson is manager of next generation litho at AMD and has written seminal papers on the subject over many years." "Yes, AMD have had process difficulties. No fab in the world avoids that. Availability of new high-end Intel processors have often been extremely limited at their introduction. AMD's problems are magnified by the fact that they have no die stock - their manufacturing resources (wafer starts/week) are so limited that manufacturing difficulties translate immediately into customer delays." "The posters who refer to others on this thread as 'idiots' and 'losers' will have you believe that AMD's process is pathetic - that is far from the truth." "With respect to continuously upgrading Fab25 - it never will be as good as a brand new fab with the same equipment.In any case, in a couple of years AMD will have to invest in a 300mm fab to remain competetive. That will cost far more than Dresden up front, and they certainly will not upgrade fab25 to 300mm." Shane

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