13       Q.      And James Noryian?
  14       A.      In February 1997 Charles Kricfalusi introduced us to James

  15        Noryian as another party such as Wellrich who could do a
  16        private placement. What James Noryian did was he went ahead
  17        and sold stock and he collected money for the stock but never
  18        delivered and never gave Amazon Natural Treasures the money
  19        and issued photocopy certificates to the people on -- listed
  20        in evidence there is a sheet that Bruce Judd put into evidence
  21        of 680 or 610,000 shares that are supposedly 144 registration
  22        stock to be sold. That is the example of what James Noryian
  23        did by issuing photocopy stock that he did not pay the company
  24        for and the company has no record of that stock being issued
  25        to those people who submitted to their brokers under a 144

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  1        filing and they show up on the Internet even though they're
  2        not registered certificates.
  3        Q. Have you taken any legal action against Mr. Noryian as of
  4        this date?
  5        A, We can't find him. I believe he's in Arabia.