From john.hirsch@mixcom.com Tue Jul 25 23:54:20 EDT 1995
Article: 69534 of alt.sex.movies
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From: john.hirsch@mixcom.com (John Hirsch)Newsgroups: alt.sex.movies
Subject: Re: J Martin's Reply To Shaffer(To Imperator)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 07:20:57 -0500Organization: Milwaukee Internet Exchange
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In article <3uvj8q$6nn@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, jmartin9@ix.netcom.com (J
Martin) wrote:
> Since all my net accts are canceled as of the 28th I felt I would
> check out ASM one last time to make sure there wasn't too much
> "fallout" from last weeks hassles. I am happy to see that the fires
> quickly died out. I am answering this post because it is so filled
> with half truths and other nonsense I cannot resist.
In other words, you want to get one last dig in before you run away and
hide. Very cowardly of you.> Note ,now that I
> am no longer a part of "cyberspace"and probably never will be in the
> near future,I can be much more objective and rational.
Hahahahahahahahahaha....that's a good one, J.
> >Bull. This is a public group. George, or Jeff, or Brandy, or I, or whoever,
> >have every damn right to make whatever statements we wish about the
public you
> >(as you do about the public us). We can make lists of good guys, bad guys or
> >anything. Whether we'll be on-topic, or dickheads, or spammers is anentirely
> >different story. Our reputations, the only measures of one's net worth, will
> >suffer if our statements are petty, off-topic or mean.>
> My,Imperator you really do need to consult an attorney. Brandy is a
> public figure. Most of us our not. Nothing can stop you from writing
> anything you want about a private figure,but here in the US there can
> be legal consequences.
All he wrote was an opinion about why you posted so many times. You
seriously think that you could take legal action based on such a flimsy
remark???
> >Think about your reputation here for a moment. Whose fault is it that it is
> >now in the shits?>
> Imperator, are you not the guy who spammed this group with your views
> on gun control and the way we run our country?? You are a guest here
> as I am when I visit outside the US. I would never dream of visiting
> another man's country and telling him how it should be run unless I
> was a citizen. Did you bother making an apology for your little
> tirade? You are not perfect either!!!
What the hell does this ranting have to do with his question?? Your
reputation is in the shits. Not because of George's remarks - nobody cares
about them except you. It's because of your infantile and psychotic
response to a simple, albeit incorrect, statement about why you posted somuch.
> It is important to
> note that George threatened to put me on the riff-raff list. It was at
> that point I told him he could cross the line at some point in time
> into something "actionable".
Ooooooohhh, the "riff-raff list"!!!! Oh MY GOD!!! HOW HORRIBLE!!!
"Your Honor, I have suffered severe emotional damage as a result
of being put on George Shaffer's Riff Raff List. I am asking for
a sum of $1,000,000."
"Hahahahahahahahahahaha......Case dismissed, get out of here!"
> >The same who gave me a right to slag off video companies, to say thatBud Lee
> >sucks, that whoever forces porn starlets to have boob jobs should be impaled
> >etc. etc.. Face it dude: this is a PUBLIC forum. You have every right to
> >complain if somebody makes an ad hominem attack about your personallife. Your
> >public person in asm is fair game.>
> No.Imperator that is not true. The people you mention are public
> figures. A private person does NOT become a public figure because they
> join a public forum. There are some great free speech attorneys
> protecting the net. There are also many fine attorneys who are
> monitoring the net looking at things that are not protected speech.
But none of them would even bother to consider even attempting to look
at your case. They would be laughed out of court.
> >Bollocks. You spammed the group with your whiny messages, made outrageous
> >threats of lawsuit and physical harm and in general behaved like a3-year old.
> >You informed us that you are bearded and dunno-how-many-pounds heavy. You
> >essentially challenged George to a fistfight. Excuse me, but are you mental?
> >If somebody does not wish to play ball with your insanity, it's notcowardice,
> >it's resignation to the fact that one can't reason with a head case.
> It is obvious your social development never went beyond the cyberspace> stage.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
> I was trying to correlate this situation with the real world.
> If some one was sick or injured all week and tried to make a
> contribution to your company, would you make them the subject of group
> ridicule?
And would you scream and yell, making ridiculous and inane threats in the
real world?> The subject of going into a sports bar and insulting a 200+
> pound Raider fan was meant to correlate the net with the real world. I
> did NOT threaten George with physical harm. I said IF and ONLY If it
> were legal.
This always amused me. IF it were legal, then you WOULD have physically
harmed him for something he wrote on a list. So your comment was not
threatening an illegal action, just an immoral one. He wrote a comment
that made you feel bad, and you had NO MORAL PROBLEM with beating his
brains in because of it. I'm really glad you're leaving. You're a very
dangerous person. > I am ashamed of myself for saying that. You should be.
> >> There are many people ,in many newsgroups that I have disliked. You
> >> ,Mr Shaffer are the only one I have ever truly hated with an intensity
> >> that words can not describe. >
> >You are not streetwise. You are a head case and in desperate need of a life.
> >I don't know what sort of pathetic ambition you had in mind when you joined
> >asm, but your completely unjustified explosion over a very mild comment makes
> >me once again see the truth of those "wannabe" comments. >
> [snip] I only joined ASM to answer questions about old movies and come
> up with lists. I have ALWAYS referred people to Peter for 100%
> accuracy. I have a very comfortable and full life outside of
> cyberspace. You are the real "wannabe". You have this dream of being
> the"ultimate adult film reviewer". I would rather watch them with my
> SO. It is more fun to get a good blowjob from a real life woman while
> watching than taking notes.
Oh how wonderful. Now you'll be joining the ranks of those people who
write such eloquent messages like "Get a girlfriend, you losers and stop
wanking off over a fucking video tape. Ha ha ha ha ha!!!" Your transition
has already started.
> >Awww, boo-hoo once again. Go whine to Momma that the bad kids in asm are not
> >giving You the respect that Your Majesty deserves. >
> I am 39 yrs old. I have no living relatives and even if I did I was
> never the type of man who cried to Mommy. I always fought my own> battles.
Until you start the Brandy-like threatening to bring the big bad lawyers
in to fight your battles for you.
> >It is only lamers who can't ever accept that they have screwed up and who
> >can't take criticism. You can see them all over the net. Apparently they
> >now have a latest representative in asm. Oh well. Lamers come and go; we'll
> >weather them.>
> I have admitted my mistakes in this post and previous ones. I WELCOME
> constructive criticism. I flew off the handle one day and one day
> only. Neither Tim nor myself can solve a problem ,if Mr Shaffer will
> not be perfectly clear in what the problem is!!!!>
> As far as "getting a life" goes,the previous week I had only about 3
> posts. The week when I had 97 I was sick and thought I was making a
> contribution. I thought the purpose of the group WAS to post
> contributions. I am sorry if my efforts were worthless.
Waaaaaahhhhh!!!! The guilt trip isn't working, pal. We kept telling you
that the rest of ASM thought your posts were useful. Only George and a few
others did not. You CHOSE not to focus on the majority of asm, but rather
George and his silly list. You IGNORED the people who tried to tell you
that there was nothing wrong with your posts. So don't fucking whine about
how "I tried so hard, but nobody liked me and they all thought my posts
were worthless" Boo-hoo indeed.
> I now realize that instead of wasting time on the computer,I could
> have read 5 good books,called old friends,donated my time to
> charity,etc,etc. The best book I have read lately is "Silicon Snake
> Oil" by Clifford Stoll. All of you should read this one. It will open
> your eyes.
Oh, now you're the great guru who has left the confines of ASM and tells
US what the real world is like. We know about it already, we've never leftit.
> IMHO opinion Mr Shaffer's list is very detrimental to ASM. I think a
> list of honest advertisers like Blowfish,Kerri Downs,etc. could be
> positive. It seems to me that a list with Mr Shaffer's subjective
> commentary penalizes people for attempting to make a contribution. One
> night a person may turn on ASM and find 10 questions that he might be
> able to contribute to. He may only answer 2 of them because he dosen't
> want to be accused of being redundant. Also the person may make his
> answers real short and leave out some fun tidbits out of fear of being
> accused of being too long winded. Tim and I discussed this in e-mail.
> Mr Shaffer's list created an impossible situation. Just IMHO.
Or, they might just post whatever they want, since they know George's
list is just a bunch of opinions he has that lots of people may disagree
with. NOBODY CARES. Do you understand? It's just a LIST. Now, if you
receive 50,000 emails saying "SHUTUP!", then you may have a problem, but
one list will not be intimidating people into posting or not.
> As for me I will be getting my body in shape.
Don't forget your mind, as well.-- John.Hirsch@mixcom.comHi there. |
