Hi Art: Thanx for the info, I'll try to find the S8 and read it, personally I think a lot of companies have gone to doing this, and it stinks..somebody gets burned on the deal, either the employee..( who is reduced to were he will do or say just about anything to defend the company ) or the share holder has his end diluted. They rationalize it all kinds of ways but it's just a carney trick. The old way employess could buy shares, and the company paid some matching funds, so he got them at a discount..but they were bought from the float, and that kept the shares from being diluted, the expence was an employee bonus, and was part of the 10q..sure it reduced the net profit, but at the end of the quater every one knew were things stood and it was honest. ---------------------- these options out front, and what ever price..just create a breeding ground for dishonesty..and you can't project the real cost..it's not possiable. AOL is not the only one playing this game, and I doubt thy are into it as bad as some, I know they are not as bad as ASND they can argue it from now to dooms day. And people can take either side..and make it look good or bad..the thing is there is "NO Answer" in some cases it may be good and in others bad..and there is "no way to tell up front".. and if any one says there is they are full of crap, or just plain lying. I'm aginst it because it is not predictable..and is prone to breed dishonesty. Give them shares at a discount, buy them at market then put the shares in an employee pool, that they can get when they leave or after say 2 years. Then every one knows what is going on and the expence is accoutable as you go along. This robbing peter to pay paul and thinking you can get something for nothing is born from systers, and con men. But onec agine it's not just AOL that has caught the fever..seems to be spreading in the tech sector a lot. Jim |