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To: WTSherman who wrote (4)	4/24/1999 2:21:00 PM
From: Fangorn	Read Replies (2) of 149

WT, I will only pick on your most blatant mistatements of fact re >As to automatic weapons they are already illegal but that doesn't stop gangs from using them. This is just not true. < It is absolutely illegal in every jurisdiction in the US for a private citizen to possess an automatic weapon. You have NEVER seen an operable "automatic weapon" for sale at any legal gun show ever. Admit it. While it is true that a knowledgable person can convert an semi-automatic weapon to full auto that in itself is an illegal act. Violent crime rates have dropped nationally but one counter example doesn't change the fact that the rate in states with liberalized concealed carry rules HAVE dropped faster than the national average. Guiliani (sp?) has done wonders in NY but anyone who wants a gun can get it illegally in the City or legally by going to NJ or elsewhere. There is no doubt that the average mugger or purse snatcher is less likely to be carrying because of the automatic jailtime for having a gun. You also ignored my claim that banning guns would have NO effect on criminals. They by definition don't obey the law anyway. You also ignored the fact that many do in fact protect themselves from harm and property loss with LEGAL guns. Fear for one's safety is a very good reason to want a gun. Having the POWER to defend oneself is a very rational response. As to the kids killing themselves, yes they did but we don't know whether they went in with that intention or if, after killing several people, they took that as the easiest route out of the mess they were in. After all I merely said they MIGHT have reconsidered. And the fact remains an armed teacher or janitor or passerby may well have stopped them before they did as much damage as they did. During a similar episode in Louisiana a few years ago a teacher retrieved a gun from his car and stopped a whacko student's rampage, don't remember whether by shooting him or just scaring him. The teacher was charged with having a gun on school property but there is no doubt his action saved several lives. Finally characterizing anyone who disagrees with your position as a "gun nut" just tells me you are arguing from emotion and have not bothered to even examine the other side. Put yourself in the shoes of the store owner who has been robbed at (almost certainly illegally obtained) gun point five times in the last two years and tell me you wouldn't be thinking of getting a gun to protect yourself and your property and not just to assuage your feeling of powerlessness. Just so you know where I am coming from, I own two guns, a shotgun and a rifle which I occasionally use for hunting. I doubt I could aim a gun at a person, much less shoot at them, to save my own life though I hope I could to save someone else's life. From a "gun nut"... NOT!!!

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