yEllen I loved your "fall on my sword for good old TSIG post".
If you use the word fact and seem in the same sentence does that mean you are calling something a fact or is it just what you seem to believe? Can you prove what you said about the people you named being there to harass? Was that a fact?
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To: Ellen (24894 )
From: Ellen Friday, Apr 9 1999 2:14PM ET
Reply #reply-8808727 of 27411
To the thread and to the bashers:
First of all, I apologize to the members of this thread for appearing to be the reason that Janice, TideGlider, Ditchdigger, Tonto, TopCat and zonkie have come to this thread to bash and harass. And, yes SI Bob their presence here is to harass
even though you refuse to recognize it, much less take any action about it and/or live up to your promises to others to take action.
I have had private communication from thread members as to the fact that these bashers seem to have come here because of me. So that is not just my perception of the situation.
These bashers, who we all know travel in tag-team formation, know that RMIL turned out to be a scam. As one of dozens who were enthusiastic there and were supporters of that stock ("cheerleaders", so to speak), they long ago decided to focus on me for their vendetta. Why? One of the reasons they've given is because I (frequently) posted a "Newbie" post. Never mind that many threads have the same thing - for reference. My having done so must be somehow unique in their minds. To them - as they have said so - it constitutes my being part of a "pump and dump."
I believe that another part of the reason they like to "focus" on me is because I have, for a long time, insisted that the way they "present" what they have to share is less than desirable. The RMIL thread was noted for being so polarized. It was the "yeas" against the "nays." It became that way because of the insults, innuendo and sarcasm that pervaded. We all fell into it, myself included. But - and this is a huge but - they will never ever admit that they first came onto the thread with that mean-spirited attitude and set that wheel in motion.
They appeared there in the same manner and with the same attitude as they have here. So you all know what I am talking about.
Many of us became friends from being on that thread together for so long and some of us remain friends today. (And no, Janice, I am not referring to Pugs) There were quite a few of us who also followed each other into TVSI. Who here hasn't ever listened to a friend about a stock and also bought in? They try to portray that as being part of a "pump and dump."
V W Mayor, I read your pm and answered it this morning prior to catching up on the thread from last night. I was angry when I read your response to TideGlider's post, the one with the TVSI links. Obviously, you bought into his theory that I was perhaps a part of a pump and dump there. With my answer to your pm, did I pass your test?
To: WVMayor (who wrote...)
From: Ellen
Friday, Apr 9 1999 9:07AM ET
Hi Mayor,
I'm sort of surprised that you ask me, as I'd taken your thread posts to indicate that you'd already taken a position.
Speaking only for myself, I am uncomfortable with some things in management's past also but do like the business plan and what can be seen of it being executed.
My personal opinion is that all the dd in the world doesn't provide guarantees of management's honesty & integrity. Only their actions do. So, to me it's a gamble to put some money on the table with such an unknown. I've done so with my money because of, again, what I see being executed.
Well, those are my thoughts. Good luck with what you decide!
Regards,
Ellen
TideGlider, for one, wants to portray my being on the TVSI thread as well as the RMIL thread as evidence of my being part of a pump and dump. I have previously stated and will say FOR THE LAST TIME that that has NEVER been true. I am just your average Jane investor and if you saw my portfolio (such as it is), you would know how stupidly absurd that is. (And to TideGlider: whatever in those silly links you posted do you think shows or proves your point or makes your case?)
If, by their way of thinking that 1) buying the same stock as someone else you know is being part of a "pump and dump" then just about every investor anywhere is or has been part of one and 2) if by posting positively on the thread(s) of stock(s) you like, then we are all "hypesters" or "touters" or whatever they want to call it. Deciding to buy into a stock and posting on a thread about it, is indicative of the fact that you like that stock. That's it. Nothing more. And there is nothing wrong in that.
To my mind, there are REAL "hypesters" and "touters" - plenty of them - here on SI alone. Why don't you guys go after them? It's beyond ridiculous that you spend so much time on me. If you only knew how ridiculous. Never mind that it makes you look silly. Take TopCat's post that he was here because I was here and that my track record isn't good. Stop and think. If I'm not doing any better than you say I am, well... Speaks for itself, doesn't it?
Additionally, what in the world does me being on a thread have to do with what a company is or is not doing? Does my presence make a company or its management different than it is? No. Does my presence change anything about a company's business or its management? No.
Discussing pros and cons with factual, give-and-take discussion is healthy. Having to put up with and/or fight against insults, innuendo and harassment is not. And the difference is not recognized by the bashers. They will say if you comment on their "methods" or "presentation" that that is killing the messenger. Well, it's not. It's simply asking for a discussion rather than an argument. But they can't see that. This has been a large point of contention between me and these bashers, and they don't like it. And I question them, and they don't like it. I have caught some of their errors, and they don't like it. So they have and continue to harass me.
Anyway, I do apologize to the thread for the disruption that has been caused because of these bashers coming here. I will no longer post here.
My regards to all the thread members, excluding the bashers.
Ellen |
