James; I like Janus too, they are IMO the most honest of the few who are honest in operation. I don't want to get into singling out the funds that have ethics lower than an ordinary pimp, but some big names are full of scumbags who circumvent the spirit of the law and do insider trading in collusion on a regular basis while the SEC looks the other way. There is a hidden reason most funds do not just lag the S&P, they don't even come close. It's not because they are stupid but because they are crookid..from time to time one of the mangers greed gets so insidious that the crap comes to the surface, and people think that what he did was and rare exception. BUT the only thing rare about it was HE took too much and got caught, the practice of using fund money to Mo Mo up a stock the manager has a personal interest in is very common, ( then he dumps ) , some fund families even encourage it but use artifice to make it look like something else. When some of them do avoid overt insider trading they maintain a net work of good old boys who do one another favors in collusion using investors money to buy a friends stock on a quid pro quo basis , with the understanding the favor will be returned..it's a den of snakes that by comparison makes the old carpet baggers look almost saintly. A well feed den of snakes at that. The thing is when this happens it also hurts the honest funds, & every one in the market becomes a victim to some degree. ---------------------- Another thing people are trained not to look at is all the ramifications of fiascos like the Orange County derivative rip off,,they think because they did not live in Orange County that crap don't effect them. The only thing that happened there that is not happening all over the country is it got so bad they got caught. Simular things are going on and wide spread but the losses are kept manageable with tax increases and just don't come to the surface, My guess is 90% of the population is being stuck with Taxes that support the corruption and are not even aware of it. ----------------------- Now this same den of snakes has one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington and is lined up to get their hands on the SSI money All the same crap that happened in Japan is going on right now under our nose and being covered up by people like CreemSpam doing spins on it, and an SEC that makes a token stab at policing the crooks, but for the most part looks the other way. Meanwhile a naive and gullable public walk blindly into the traps that rob them, and to some extent even help set it up. Jim
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