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To: Rippletum who wrote (10665)	6/6/1999 11:32:00 PM
From: ahhaha	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 29970

I thought I conveyed the essence of the matter when I asked Franz if 'Net ads worked on him. I answered for him that they didn't. So I ask you, do they work on you or are they a nuisance that you go out of your way to avoid. You might say that your behavior is not representative, but I have yet to find anyone who doesn't find them a nuisance. Why is it that everyone has gotten on this band wagon and claimed that the 'Net is going to bring in all these other revenues, but no one tells you what these revenues are. They're virtual. So why don't you start telling me just what is selling so well. The cost/benefit of 'Net ads is one of the worst in all history. It isn't hard to see why, because it is impossible to see how an ad will work. They might work better in full motion video or full graphic T-1 cable modem, but the fact is that the 'Net comes over the PC and the user controls the PC like the tv could never be controlled. You and Franz should get together to form the Heman Portland Haters Club. This is why the stock tanked, panic caused by unsubstantiated fear. People look at the theoretical 1000 P/E and suddenly they see themselves in rags selling apples. They don't see that on the way up although when it was going up that was just as true, perhaps more so. If you look at Portland from the angle that T will go in an assuage the situation, give them what they want, make a little money, then if that becomes a precedent, then T and ATHM will suddenly get subscriptions that they wouldn't have received had this standardization not been put in place. It's promotion and it beats ads all to hell.

To: Rippletum who wrote (10665)	6/7/1999 12:19:00 AM
From: Daniel Hsu	Respond to of 29970

Folks: An analogy and questions: you bought a piece of land and plan to build big houses on it, a person wants to rent part of the houses, but you don't want to rent to anyone other than your family members. So you and the person went to a court. Judge's decision is that you have to rent the house. Is this fair to you? Who is going to decide the rental amount? Judge or government? Owner you? or the person who wants to move in? I say owner you should decide the rental fee, because you have paid for the house, not government. It will be the same case as local phone company asking long-distance phone company pay for local access fee for providing local phone service. Daniel

To: Rippletum who wrote (10665)	6/7/1999 10:47:00 AM
From: Frank A. Coluccio	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 29970

Rip, I'm not sure if the view you stated was yours or the "fancy view" you ascribed to others. Assuming the the second sentence in your message begins to explain your own view, then... "It [AOL] is not an ISP, WCOM is the ISP and the other bell operating companies, AOL is just a reseller of those ISP's." The comment about AOL not being the ISP is symptomatic to a great extent of the evolutionary state of the lexicon, mistaken in this case, despite whose view it was, but not necessarily uninfluential in the evolution of the lexicon (noise level) permeating society on these issues. The assertion is, rather, that it is WCOM who is the ISP. <?> Remember the legitimization of the term nulcear back in the Fifties? Nothing personal, but I'm reminded of the foo foo artist this morning on CNBC who repeatedly stated that AOL "is a dial tone," being the nation's largest provider of "dial tone," [oi!] and that other ISPs also would be permitted to provide dial tone, too [or something along those lines... I was too dumbfounded to focus at that point], if this emboldenment by the Portland mess be permitted to escalate across the country. [oi! oi! oi!] AOL is an ISP, albeit a sticky one, which retains its subscribers in a closed architecture kind of way, by communalizing its membership in various ingenious ways [which were no accidents of fate], at the same time alowing gateway access to the rest of the 'net. WCOM is a Tier One backbone provider. Take it from there...