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Strategies & Market Trends : DAYTRADING Fundamentals -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Wes Stevens who wrote (206)6/7/1999 9:10:00 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 18137
 
Hi Wes,

<Anyone have inside info on how may cable modems tipically get put on a single channel?>

This technique is still in it's infancy and the MSOs are using anywhere from 50 end users per head end (T experimental installation in Salt Lake City) to 500 end users (a common design spec, tried by T in Fremont, CA recently with terrible results.) Regarding the Fremont experiment, they found out that on one headend, one user had set up a server farm and was hogging ~90% of the available bandwidth leaving the other 499 users with less than 15Kbps of bandwidth each. Ouch!

To be correct Wes, a T-1 line is 1.544Mbps. ((24 x 8)+1 x 8000 =1.544)

For those who can get access to it, an HDSL line would be far superior to ADSL for fast trading applications in frenzied markets because with HDSL you have symmetrical signalling, i.e. your trade request get just as much bandwidth as the incoming signal.

Best, Ry



To: Wes Stevens who wrote (206)6/7/1999 10:28:00 PM
From: -  Read Replies (6) | Respond to of 18137
 
Here's my first contribution, responding to Eric's request:

B r o a d b a n d C o n n e c t i v i t y C h o i c e s
for Day Traders

1. Cable Modem - provides a continuous, broadband (200Kbps-3Mbps) connection. The high-speed data signal is delivered on the same cable coax which delivers your cable TV signal, modulated as a high-frequency signal which carries the data stream. Since the same cable is connected to every house, this is a "shared media" technology, therein lies the potential problem. When too many users are deployed on the same cable coax loop, the system can bog down, resulting in poor performance. You do not have a choice of ISP with cable modem - the ISP comes "bundled" with the high-speed connection, as a package deal. Therein lies another potential problem. For example, I recently tested Cable CoOp's 2Mbps cable modem service in Palo Alto, CA. Although it was great for snappy web access, it was unusable for real-time, Level II quotes and trading. The reason? Trace Route's revealed a 60% packet loss in the backbone ISP (Cable & Wireless) routers in San Francisco. This problem recurred repeatedly over a three week period, so I dropped the service and went back to Frame Relay (the ISP behind the cable modem service was providing sub-standard service). But many traders report excellent results with Cable Modem hookups. It all depends on your provider, and how many other people are using the service in your area (the less, the better).

2. DSL/ADSL/HDSL "Digital Subscriber Loop". This is the phone companies' latest and greatest solution for providing low-cost broadband services to residential and cost-sensitive commercial customers. There are more technology variants than you can count. ADSL is a little more affordable than HDSL, providing "Asymetric" bandwidth (more downlink bandwidth than uplink), and can be very good for traders. Generally, DSL connections are dedicated in nature and not shared-media. An ATM aggregator called a "DSLAM" (DSL ATM Multiplexer) aggregates your traffic across a high-capacity digital backbone, carrying it across the service provider's network to the ISP. Again, you are usually locked into an ISP. But because DSL is run across a switched network by the service provider (usually the local phone company, or a "CLEC" - competitive local exchange carrier), there are often more choices of ISP's, when you go with DSL. Many times, ISP's will partner with DSL providers (Rhythm, Northpoint, etc) and offer special package deals. AOL is also big on DSL and is cutting a few deals. DSL is more reliable, and the prices are reasonable (generally, $89-$300/mo depending upon the bandwidth).

3. Frame Relay. Frame Relay is a dedicated data connection, provided with bandwidth and "Service Level" guarantees. 56Kbps sounds slow, but because of the dedicated nature of Frame Relay, actually performs much better than most dial-in 56K modems. The advantage is cost - a 56K Frame line is available for $100-$125 in most parts of the country. I run a 128Kbps ("fractional T1") line, which is a bit pricey compared to DSL. However, Frame Relay service is industrial-strength; there generally are a team of technicians assigned full-time, dedicated to maintaining your connection/service, 24 hrs x 7 days. Frame Relay is usually fixed-price, regardless of useage. Another big advantage of Frame Relay is, you can buy a "PVC" (Permanant Virtual Circuit - a dedicated virtual data "pipe" through the FR network) connection to just about anywhere; so you can use any ISP you choose. Here in Silicon Valley, we have some excellent high-end, boutique ISP's like www.walltech.com (no affiliation; just my choice), where great service is always less than two rings away when you have to call them. A friendly, competent, high-performance ISP is a wonderful thing, in my experience!

4. ISDN. Integrated Digital Subscriber Line, comes in both "nailed-up" (permanent) connection variety (preferable, usually called "Centrex or PBX ISDN), or dial-up (transient) connection services. I tried it for about six months (three times), and each time went back to Frame Relay. ISDN hasn't been a real big success, and configuring it can be a headache. The biggest thing to watch out for is useage-based billing - to be avoided unless you're sure about their billing rates, and your useage levels. You want to look for flat billing, regardless of useage. But many traders report good results using ISDN - in certain areas it's the best solution. Generally, it is being surpassed by DSL as the phone company's preferred offering though.

5. Satellite. Some traders have experimented with high-speed internet connectivity provided by Satellite dish, like Hughes "Direct PC". Generally, the problem is not bandwidth (which is very good); it's the latency which is a problem for traders. A Geo-synchronous satellite orbits at 22,000 miles, so you're talking big delays to get the signal up there and back, nearly a half a second depending upon your location relative to the satellite. And the ISP behind these networks was not designed to optimize service for trading quotes. Generally, to be avoided unless you're trying to trade out of an RV up in the Rockies...

6. Wireless. Here in the Bay Area, I frequently use a battery-powered, thin 8-oz. "Ricochet Wireless Modem" to trade from my laptop, in remote locations (like StarBucks <G>). The service is only $30/month including the ISP, and data rates are ~40Kbps (shared media like cable modems, so mileage may vary depending on network useage conditions). Ricochet (www.metricom.com; no affiliation) works surprisingly well for delivering quotes, and I run RealTick III on top of it, along with Windows on Wall Street, both receiving real-time quotes, no problem. The service is widely deployed in the SF Bay Area, Seattle, large parts of Los Angeles, Wash DC, and there are nodes in many major airports. They are about to deploy a much higher-speed service which will quadruple data rates. It's a trip!

Hope that helps...

-Steve
www.svnl.com



To: Wes Stevens who wrote (206)6/8/1999 10:27:00 PM
From: Mad Bomber  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 18137
 
[re: ADSL, cable, T1]

I have read of cases in some communities where cable modems became slower than dial up due to sharing. I have been following these bandwith questions for 2 years trading in and out of AMTX (now TXN), WSTL, ORCT, AWRE, and PAIR. Obviously, I am of the opinion that ADSL will be widespread soon and is superior. I think it is really easy to network as well. I called the cable company and they told me that I would have to get separate service for my PC and laptop because of IP addresses. That is BS!! With ADSL, just create home network. I could foresee traders networking several CPU's over home network powered through one ADSL connection. Eric, I know you have mentioned using satellite feed but I have heard that weather causes problems. I have experienced this with my DirectTV dish.

P.S. If questions about networking with ADSL, I believe WSTL and ORCT have examples on their websites.

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