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To: Sandra T who wrote (25660)	6/8/1999 1:04:00 PM
From: mark silvers	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Sandra, I was born a Jew, but don't practice Judaisim. I fail to understand why god would favor and protect one human being over another, simply because they were born into a Jewish family. To do that would be to akin to practicing racism. Why would God do that? Mark

To: Sandra T who wrote (25660)	6/8/1999 1:28:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

"I have personally had enough of the curse — especially in finances. (See Deut. 28)" Hi Sandra, Since you are suffering the curse, there is obviously something wrong with your perception of the Scriptures and modern Jews!(The people who call themselves Jews today are not the Jews of the Hebrew Bible. If you need more clarification on this I will be glad to provide it.) The problem with your perception is that it is not based on the New Covenant (the New Testament) understanding. The blessings of God under the New Covenant come to us through the Lord Jesus Christ and not throw anything else. The Scriptures that you refer to in Genesis 12:2,3 now apply only to Christians. The New Covenant Scriptures tell us that all the blessings of God are "ye and amen in Christ Jesus". Under the New Covenant their is neither Jews nor Greek, only Christians. If you truly seek the blessing of God, then learn your New Testament well and claim all the promises of God, both in Old and New Testament, because they are all yours in Christ Jesus. And if you really want to know who a real Jew is under the New Covenant then read and meditate on these Scriptures very carefully. Romans 2 28: For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. May the love of God consume you Sandra, and bring you into the fullness of his blessing in Christ Jesus. In love Emile Galatians 3":28,29 28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29: And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. 1Pet2 9: But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Revelations 2:9 ..I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." And remember there are many on this board who fit this Scriptural warning: Acts 14 2: But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren.

To: Sandra T who wrote (25660)	6/13/1999 3:36:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Sandra, I have a few more comments about your post. Your opening statement was good: "I am a born again, Spirit-filled Christian who tries to live by God's Word." So long as you maintain the presence of God within you, and use the Word of God and the Spirit of God as your ultimate guides, you will find God's will for your life. This next statement, however, bothers me! " Anyone who speaks badly about Jewish people or deals with them in any underhanded or dishonest way is subject to fall under the curse, financially, physically, spiritually, and in every way. I hear this statement often from "charasmatics" and dispensationalists! I never, however, hear this statement applied to other people or religions. It's Always used only for the Jews as if God wants "christians" to be sensitive and just only to Jews. It's repeated almost like a mantra, but always referring to Jews only! Why? Aren't Christians suppose to deal this way will all people? For example, let us apply the statement to the Palestinian people: "Anyone who speaks badly about Palestinian people or deals with them in any underhanded or dishonest way is subject to fall under the curse, financially, physically, spiritually, and in every way." Why is it that we never hear Christians dispensationalist using this statement for Palestinains? If your honest, I bet you've heard many "charasmatics" and "dispensationalists Christians" speak "badly" and unjustly about Palestinian-Arabs in their relationship to Israel. Why is there this double standard. As a second example, let us apply your statement to poor white Southerners: "Anyone who speaks badly about white Southerners or deals with them in any underhanded or dishonest way is subject to fall under the curse, financially, physically, spiritually, and in every way." We see much stereotyping in movies and in liberal circles about white Southerners. Would you agree with this statement? I bet it makes you a little uneasy even to think about it! But its a fact that selectively indignant liberals love to call Palestinians and poor whites names like terrorists, "red necks" and "hillbillies", and rarely, if ever, speak a word about Zionist wrong doing in Israel and America. Not only do they treat them badly, but they always portray them as stupid, ignorant racist miscreants. The point I'm trying to make, of course, is that factual and truthful criticisms of political ideologies, theological beliefs, and national entities are never "bad" or "racist". They are legitimate exercises in free speech and intellectual freedom in a free society. As Christians, the founding fathers always hoped that people would speak truthfully. That is why there are law against libel and slander. What is "bad, dishonest and underhanded for a Christian", is the practice of selectively hiding the wrongdoing of Zionism, Israel and modern Judaism because of ones false theological and political beliefs. This is very wrong and leads to injustice. Zionism, Israel, and modern Judaism have become icons of political and theological correctness! They are "sanctified" icons that must be approached with a certain reverence, and discussed with special care and respect.. . The rubrics of this political liturgy demands that it's "bad" and "bigoted" to openly and honestly discuss the political and religious foundations and teachings these "holy" institutions. Surprisingly, both Christian dispensationalist Zionist and pagans find common ground to worship in the Zionist Temple. The Christian dispensationalist justifies his worship with false theological trickery, while the atheist and secularist use selective indignation and historical ignorance. It is never wrong and "bad" to speak truthfully and factually about the religious and ethnic motivations that undergird political movements and governments, if these truths and facts help us better understand these social and political realities. Democratic virtue even demands it. There is no substitute for free and open discussion when a people pursued and desires truth. It is only those with hidden agendas malice who desire to keep certain historical and theological facts in the dark. Christian America has always been committed to the proposition that free speech and intellectual freedom are cornerstones in laying the foundation of truth and reality.