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To: nuke44 who wrote (11368)6/8/1999 10:41:00 PM
From: George Papadopoulos  Respond to of 17770
 
As I Predicted, Bill Clinton Has Figured Out a Way to Keep Bombing Yugoslavia
By Mary Mostert, June 7, 1999

In Friday's column, which I called "Clinton Defeated by Milosevic's Approval of G8 Peace Proposal" I pointed out that the G8 peace proposal
which the Serbian Parliament signed and Milosevic approved, was a defeat for Clinton and NATO, since it clearly called for a United Nations
Security Council resolution approving the make up of the international peace-keeping force. The G8 proposal states: "Deployment in
Kosovo of effective international civil and security presences, endorsed and adopted by the United Nations, capable of guaranteeing the
achievement of the common objective.

- "Establishment of an interim administration for Kosovo to be decided by the Security Council of the United Nations to ensure conditions for
a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants in Kosovo.

- "Safe and free return of all refugees and displaced persons and unimpeded access to Kosovo by humanitarian aid organizations."

Milosevic agreement with the G8 proposal was greeted in Washington with unconcealed annoyance and continued bombing. I said, "The
obvious foot-dragging going on in the White House, the continued bombing, and the statements by the President to the media yesterday
were clearly efforts to stall for time. The G8 Peace Proposal is a crushing defeat for KLA dreams of a greater Albania, which would include
Kosovo, and represents a major problem for those who positioned NATO as a multi-national military force to implement Clinton doctrine
around the world.

"If he can somehow avoid signing the agreement, Bill Clinton will."

It only took two days for my prediction to come to pass. In the best Clintonesque form, Clinton's delegates in the military discussions that took
place over the week-end, demanded an unconditional surrender of the Serb military, a 7 day period in which the Yugoslav army would
come out in the open, on designated roads, with their heavy equipment and leave Kosovo province to NATO and the KLA terrorists.

Did ANYONE really think the Serbs would succumb to such a thing, after 72 days of bombing? Think about that. NATO gave NO promises, in
writing or elsewhere, that they would not bomb the Yugoslav army, once they were out in the open where they could be detected by NATO
spy planes. A very key provision in the G8 agreement, besides the involvement of the United Nations, was "Establishment of an interim
administration for Kosovo to be decided by the Security Council of the United Nations to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for
all inhabitants in Kosovo."

To all the other ethnic groups in Kosovo, Serbs, Gypsies, Macedonians, Greeks, etc., that provision, which comes in the agreement BEFORE
the return of the refugees, is critical. It means that Kosovo would not be ethnically cleansed of all other ethnic groups, in preparation for its
inclusion in a new "Greater Albania" planned by the KLA.

Indeed, as the New York Times reports today (Monday) - "After two days of tense negotiations, NATO officials on Sunday night failed to get
Yugoslav military officials to agree to terms for a Serbian withdrawal from Kosovo, throwing into doubt the peace deal reached last week by
political leaders and prompting NATO to promise to intensify bombing.

"The breakdown appeared to be caused by the Serbian demand that the U.N. Security Council first approve a peacekeeping force before
NATO troops enter Kosovo as well as by several details of the withdrawal plan itself, which Serbian officials felt impinged on Yugoslav
sovereignty."

Well, what did NATO and Clinton expect? The proposal CALLS FOR approval of the U.N. Security Council before any peacekeeping force
enters Kosovo - and it does not call for a NATO military take-over. Folks, that's what the war is all about. That demand in Rambouillet that the
Serbs agree to turn Kosovo over to a NATO occupying force was the point the Serbs would not agree to. They didn't agree to Hitler's troops
taking over their country in 1941 and they are not going to agree to NATO troops taking over their country in 1999.

Not every journalist is merely printing NATO press releases and Jamie Shea's bizarre pronouncements. At least one appears to have read
the G8 agreement besides me. Early today this exchange took place in a press conference in Brussels at NATO headquarters with NATO
spokesman Shea:

M. Jungwirt, DIE KLEINE ZEITUNG: You were giving us a scenario, signing the agreement, withdrawing Serbian troops and stopping the
bombing. Where does the UN resolution fit into this time frame?

Jamie Shea : The G8 Foreign Ministers are meeting tomorrow essentially to finalise the text of the UN Security Council resolution. Once that
work is done, and hopefully it will be done successfully, the text can go off to New York and be voted upon quickly. As far as NATO is
concerned, the quicker the better, but it does depend on the G8 tomorrow.

So, NATO knows what the proposal calls for. What we are watching is an incredibly clever effort on the part of Clinton and NATO to totally
sabotage, by simply ignoring, the provisions of the G8 peace proposal.

CNN reports today "NATO leaders were insisting that the Yugoslavs sign the six- page document, which outlined the procedures for
withdrawing forces from Kosovo. NATO was adamant that there would be no negotiations with the Yugoslavs and that the withdrawal must
take place on NATO's terms."

Part of the "no negotiation" ploy of NATO includes the key point of the G8 peace proposal: "Establishment of an interim administration for
Kosovo to be decided by the Security Council of the United Nations to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants in
Kosovo." According to CNN, NATO is flatly refusing to even consider the notion of ensuring conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all
inhabitants of Kosovo. In fact, there is a near blatant expectation that everyone but ethnic Albanians will be expected to leave Kosovo.

Philip Smucker in Skopje, reporting for the London Telegraph wrote, "SERBS from Kosovo fear reprisal killings by the Kosovo Liberation
Army when the Yugoslav army withdraws. They say that Nato is not offering enough guarantees for their safety in the troubled province.
Danijela Knezevic, 28, a nurse with two small daughters said: "When I heard about the peace deal I called my husband in Pristina and said,
'This is great. I am coming home soon'. But he didn't share my opinion. He said, 'Be patient and stay there a little longer. The KLA might start
to slaughter'." America offered few assurances over the weekend. Ken Bacon, a Pentagon spokesman, said: "Our assumption is that many
Serbs will leave Kosovo. I don't think that Kosovo is going to be a very happy place for them."

As the above story indicates, many Serbs, at least 25% of the total Kosovo Serb population, have fled Kosovo due to the NATO bombing in
the last 2 months. However, Serbs are not given "Refugee" status. They were not given refugee status when 300,000 were driven out of
Krajina in 1995 and they are not being given refugee status when fleeing NATO bombing. An exodus of the remaining 150,000 Serbs from
Kosovo, which Ken Bacon is clearly encouraging, of course makes a farce of the claim that the West seeks a "multi-ethnic Kosovo."

Albanian attacks against persons thought to be sympathetic to the Serbian regime began over the weekend in the Stankovec II refugee
camp. Several gypsies accused of helping to burn Albanian homes were severely beaten in the camp by an angry mob. "Christopher Hill,
the American Ambassador to Macedonia, arrived on the scene and tried to calm the Albanians by reassuring them that they would soon be
going home under Nato's protection. But few Western officials appear ready to guarantee the safety of Serbs in Kosovo. The Serbs are most
concerned about the first few days of the peace implementation process when their own forces leave and Nato forces move in," the London
Telegraph reported.

Western officials estimate that the rebels now have 20,000 armed followers, which is four times the number they had 2 months ago. Clearly
the KLA has been rearmed and given a financial infusion during NATO's bombing. "NATO officials say they hope to plug the security
vacuum, but are not optimistic about creating immediate peace in Kosovo," the London Telegraph reports. "Capt Anthony Kennaway, a
British spokesman for Nato in Skopje said: 'We are not saying that when the first troops cross the border we will have peace in Kosovo. We
will be in Kosovo to enforce the peace and that applies to both sides. It has been made clear to the KLA that we expect them to abide by our
terms.'

"Such statements are met with scepticism. The Serb people, who suffered immensely through two World Wars, have a long history of being
persecuted. Zaklina Popovic, 30, a female economist from Pristina said: "Nato will provide no security for the Serbs in Kosovo. My husband is
there, my job and my home. But I still don't feel free to plan my return."

In effect, what it all add up to is no security for Serbs in the so-called "peace-keeping" by NATO. That leaves them with no incentive to
knuckle under to NATO occupation. NATO already has increased its bombing raids, which means increasingly that civilians will be targeted.
Already many observers fear an outbreak of epidemic disease, since the electricity which runs things like sewage treatment plants and
water treatment plants, has been knocked out. The first to die, of course, are the elderly and the babies in hospital incubators.

It only took two days for Clinton to figure out how to avoid peace and continue bombing . All this humanitarian bombing to save the Kosovo
Albanian refugees has made a wasteland out of the cities, villages and towns of Kosovo. At what point will Clinton finally conclude his
humanitarian bombing is a total success? After millions are dead?



To: nuke44 who wrote (11368)6/8/1999 10:43:00 PM
From: George Papadopoulos  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 17770
 
I'm proud to bring you the small print of the peace pact
By Miles Kington, June 7,1999

We can't really discuss the end of the Serbian war until we have read and understood the small print of the peace agreement, so I take
great pride today in bringing you the entire text of the Kosovo settlement as hammered out between Nato and the Yugoslavs. I beg you to
read this before you reach a dispassionate, objective ver- dict on the whole sorry enterprise.

1. This agreement between Nato and the Yugoslav government is to be known as "this agreement between Nato and the Yugoslav
government", wherein Nato shall also be known as "the goodies", and the Yugoslavs as "the baddies", except in Yugoslavia where the
roles may be reversed. Note that Yugoslavia (which used to be called Jugoslavia ) is not exactly the same as "the former Yugoslavia", but
may, if you wish, be referred to as "the former - former - Yugoslavia".

2. This pact signals the end of hostilities, with the following exceptions.

3. That Nato will continue a full bombing campaign after the peace agreement is signed, until Nato is satisfied that the Yugoslavs are
honouring the peace agreement.

4. Meanwhile, as soon as peace is declared, the Serbs will increase their shelling of anywhere they consider to be a KLA stronghold and
take advantage of the added-on injury time to cover up as much evidence as possible of the atrocities committed by them in Kosovo.

5. Which were not Serbian atrocities at all, but the result of all that Nato bombing.

6. And I'm the Queen of Sheba.

7. When hostilities are at an end, the peace shall be greeted in the Western media as a great victory for Nato.

8. Also as a great victory on Belgrade TV for President Milosevic.

9. And a personal triumph for Tony Blair.

10. (And for Bill Clinton, etc.)

11. Nato shall claim it has end-ed the war because its initial objective - of getting the refugees back to Kosovo - has been reached.

12. Although that was not the initial objective at all, because when the war started none of these refugees had yet flooded out, the initial
objective of the war being to stop the Kosovans being ethnically cleansed in the first place, and the only effect of the bombing being to allow
the Serbs to actually do MORE raping, pillaging and murder in Kosovo while they still had the chance.

13. The action of British Airways in taking off the global folksy designs from their tailfins and using instead the Union Jack, shall not be
referred to as "ethnic cleansing".

14. The British tabloid papers shall be encouraged to desist from referring to the tyrant Slobodan Milosevic as "Slobba".

15. Or indeed as "the tyrant Slobodan Milosevic".

16. For Mr Milosevic is an honourable man, a man with whom we can do business, a world statesman who has come to an honourable
agreement to ensure peace.

17. Even though he is a killer whom everyone hates and who will be arrested on war crime charges if he ever steps outside Yugoslavia - to
get that bolt-hole villa in Greece, for example.

18. It shall be made clear to the American public that the Michael Jackson who is command of Nato forces on the ground is not the same
Michael Jackson who sings and dances, as the Michael Jackson in charge of Nato is a white guy.

19. Mark you, the singing, dancing Michael Jackson is also pretty much a white guy these days.

20. Nevertheless, it is a different guy, but just as good in his own way.

21. The American public must be persuaded that the end of the war to get rid of Mr Milosevic has been a total victory, even though Slobba
shows no signs of going.

22. Just as the US was persuaded that the campaigns to get rid of Saddam Hussein, Colonel Gadaffi, Castro, etc, were total victories.

23. Even though there is no sign of any of them going.

24. Raising the horrible thought that when the Americans set their heart on toppling someone, that only serves to cement them in power for
half a century.

25. And that the only people who ever get toppled are close allies of the Americans, like Marcos, the Shah, etc etc.

26. Still, that's another problem for another day.

27. Meanwhile, the refugees from Kosovo shall be allowed to go back to their homes which no longer exist, and look for relatives, and live in
peace with the Serbian army when the Nato troops have gone, and so look forward to the next outbreak of fighting and ethnic cleansing.

28. Which is also a problem for another day.

29. Meanwhile, we have won a famous victory, hurray, hurray.

30. And we're the Queen of Sheba.

www.independent.co.uk



To: nuke44 who wrote (11368)6/8/1999 11:04:00 PM
From: Enigma  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 17770
 
With respect:

Letters to the Independent:
A futile war

Sir: Tragically, Nato's refusal to stop bombing after the Serbian parliament accepted the 3 June peace settlement has made it far more difficult to resolve the practical implementation of the agreement.
Yugoslavia is obviously justified in fearing that troops and civilians withdrawing from Kosovo may be bombed by Nato or attacked by the KLA, particularly where they say they do not have sufficient fuel to meet the seven-day timescale specified by Nato for the withdrawal. No one can forget that the United States massacred tens of thousands of retreating Iraqi soldiers and civilians on the Basra road at the end of the Gulf War.

The way for all of these issues to be resolved is for Nato to stop bombing immediately.

More fundamentally, the settlement agreed on 3 June shows that the entire war, with its thousands of deaths, its refugee catastrophe, and its destruction of the civilian infrastructure of Yugoslavia, was unnecessary. It should be recalled that Nato did not go to war to help the refugees; the refugee crisis erupted after the bombing started.

Nato went to war to impose the Rambouillet ultimatum on Yugoslavia. This demanded the occupation of Kosovo exclusively by Nato troops who were to have unimpeded access to the whole of Yugoslavia. It also provided for the possibility of secession by Kosovo at the end of three years.

The 3 June settlement is a significant retreat from Nato's demands at Rambouillet. Now, the international force deployed in Kosovo is to be under the auspices not of Nato but of the United Nations. Nato will be a major participant, but so too will the Russians - something not suggested at Rambouillet. This international force is to have access only to Kosovo. The territorial integrity of Yugoslavia is to be respected.

If Nato had been prepared to make these compromises at Rambouillet the entire war could have been avoided. The Yugoslav parliament made clear at the time that it would accept an international force under the auspices of the United Nations. The sticking points for the Yugoslavs were the Nato occupation and the possibility of secession.

Alice Mahon MP, (Halifax, Lab), House of Commons, London SW1

Sir: "We never went to war for the return of [Kosovo] refugees," writes Robert Fisk (Comment, 5 June). He is, of course, right. The myth was propagated for Nato's convenience, immediately after the first bombs had fallen on Belgrade.

The present "victory" over Serbia, might very well be turned upside down with the KLA, greatly strengthened, "ethnically cleansing" the Serbian villagers. But what is Nato's real objective in this war? Is it not to weaken Russia by crushing her only ally left in Europe? Is it not to consolidate eastern Europe, Turkey and Israel, within a Greater Europe?

Denis Knight, South Brent, Devon














To: nuke44 who wrote (11368)6/9/1999 1:55:00 PM
From: Yaacov  Respond to of 17770
 
Emile, you hateful ol' antisemite.>>

Hello Nuke,

If his mother knew what kind of jerk he will turned out to be, she would have choked him the moment he put his head out!! He is a cock
roach!



To: nuke44 who wrote (11368)6/9/1999 5:44:00 PM
From: coldhardtruth  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 17770
 
Why, hello there puke44. (Guess who!)

Don't you have anything better to do than attack Emile?

Shouldn't you be constructing more "weapons of mass destruction" to drop on the Proud Serbian People?

BTW, if you do feel the uncontrollable urge to scream shrill obscenities at anyone, direct them at me. I rather enjoy your putrid form of dialog.



To: nuke44 who wrote (11368)6/9/1999 6:57:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 17770
 
"NATO's actions in Yugoslavia have absolutely nothing to do with Israel and the Palestinians, your inane claims notwithstanding. This may come as a surprise, but it's not up to you to dictate what NATO will or will not do. It's up to the heads of NATO. To take the actions against Israel"

Nothing to do with Israel and the Palestinians? The Kosovar Albanians and the Palestinians face very similar situations. Ther are two major differences between the two. One is the fact that their are some two million Palestinian refugees and only one million Kosovars. The other is the fact that the Plestinians how been waiting for in the Refugee camps for some fifty years for the world community to force compliance with the UN resolutions.

Let us investigate this idea a bit further! Let us look into the primary and fundamental motives of NATO and the US for their intervention in the Serbia-Kosovo conflict!
1.) Ethnic cleansing---The Yogoslavian Serbs were using terror and massacres to drive the ethnic Albanians out of Kosovo. Serbs are presented as racial and religious bigots for wanting to creating a greater Serbia composed only of Orthodox Serbs. Some one million ethnic Albanian were driven out of Kosovo and their homes destroyed and their land confiscated by the Serbs. Some one million ethnic Albanians are now living in refugees camps because of this action. This is the scenario presented by the NATO and the US government.

If we are to take the US and NATO at their words, these were the fundamental reasons given for bombing Yogoslavia. NATO and the world community were willing to employ force to restore the ethnic Albanians to their rightful property and homes.

Now, let us turn to Palestine.
1.) Ethnic cleansing--There are some two million ethnically cleansed Palestinians who have been living in Refugee camps for the last fifty years waiting for Israel to conply to the more than twenty UN Resolutions that demand the return of the Palestinians Refugees to their rightful land and homes. How were these Palestinians expelled from their land and homes? The Israelis deliberately used terror and massacres (Deir Yassin as one example) to force these indigenous people from their homes. These Palestinians had lived on their land for some thirteenth hundred years when Israel determined to make Palestine into an exclusively Jewish state. The UN has determined that approximately 85% of Israel consist of confiscated Palestinian land.
Like the Orthodox Serbs, the Israelis were determined to make a greater Israel into an exclusively Jewish homeland.

So, we have a situation where both Kosovar Albanians and Palestinians have been made refugees because of the massacres and ethnic cleansing of the xenophobic Serbs in Yogoslavia and Jews in Israel. Both countries are seeking to establish exclusive ethno-religious homelands and found it necessary to cleanse the undesirable ethnic Albanians and ethnic Palestinians from these homeland. So, NATO and the world community were willing to employ force to restore the ethnic Albanians to their rightful property and homes, why not employ the same techniques to force Israel to comply with UN resolutions.

Consequently, we can clearly see that the Yogoslav-Kosovar problem is identical to the Israeli-Palestinian problem! It certainly seems plausible to assume, that if US-NATO found force and bombing the best solution to the Yogoslav-Kosovar ethnic cleansing, it should also work to force Israel to comply with UN Resolutions in solving its ethnic cleansing policies.

In addition, we are presently using military force against Iraq to induce them to comply with a few UN Resolution that they are presently violating. Again, Israel is in violation of more than twenty UN REsolutions, so why not use the same techniques in forcing them to comply to the consensus of the world community.

The Kosovo-Iraqi bombing precedent may turn out, in the long run, to be a blessing for all mankind.