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To: MNI who wrote (11458)	6/10/1999 3:30:00 PM
From: George Papadopoulos	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17770

> But isn't it strange, the US media here gave me the same idea, while two weeks later I read in one of our papers the Greeks didn't like the NATO attack at all (I don't know whether George P. represents a majority in Greece, but it may well be) First poll was 93% against the Nato action, then it went up to 95%, then 97% and lastly 99%! Yes I represent the majority of the Greek public opinion.....FWIW Do not rely on the US media and your papers!

To: MNI who wrote (11458)	6/10/1999 8:42:00 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 17770

You have put your finger on the primary problem of a force where the British and American troops are made to take a backseat. They are the best trained and equipped forces available, and there will be a terrible lose of efficacy. This will make dealing with the KLA a large problem,and will increase the likelihood of a new crisis with Serbia over implementation... I was mildly surprised, since it appears to be a question that mainly occupies American conservatives... I agree that the current crop of leaders, not just German, but more generally, is unseasoned. It is a problem of the electoral pendulum, I think. "New ideas" from young men with blow dry hair is selling well, after all of those older, more conservatives leaders... Don't get me wrong, it is usually better to let the Americans take the lead, since they have a better military establishment. In this case, though, the Administration didn't even listen to the advice of its own people, and therefore some more political pressure from the allies to account for their long term strategy would have helped... The idea that the USA is in Europe to protect its own interests is perfectly compatible with my point, as long as you realize that the peace and stability of Europe is in our interests... As for changing, it is inevitable that it will be slow. Remember the furor over re- unification? Many countries were frightened, and there was opposition in almost all. It will take a bit longer before anyone is comfortable with an assertive Germany...

To: MNI who wrote (11458)	6/10/1999 11:00:00 PM
From: Andy Thomas	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17770

>>Germany can help with money, but not with men -<< ...What a copout. So the US is expected to run the show since Europeans can't trust Germans, and Germans can't trust themselves? Perhaps Germany could have a strong army and sane politicians... and lead Europe. That just might work. It seems funny that the US had to fight this balkans war... especially with all of the continental europeans "balking" at the prospect. Only Blair sitting back on his island was a big cheerleader. What is it with you guys that you'll use any excuse not to clean up your own messes? In a way Truedog is right... you always seem to count on the US for leadership in critical situations, yet culturally you thumb your noses at us. Truthfully, I don't think there is any real answer to all of this, going forward. Europeans outside of Germany will never trust the Germans again, and the US will keep feeding you questionable policies, and you will keep trying to manipulate the US in various fashions, and India and Pakistan will snarl at each other, and Israel will remain under seige in the Middle east, and much of the rest of the world will plod along in starvation and misery, and Americans will pretend like all that matters is their AOL stock, then the whole thing will come crashing down, and the vast majority of people will once again be fed a bunch of lies, ad infinitum. It would be nice if Christ were to return today, but hey... let's watch some expensive fireworks and assorted political/social chicanery... along with all of the attendant human misery these things bring... in the meantime. Having said all that, I must quote someone I admire, a veteran of the North African campaigns, Anzio, Southern France, and then on into Germany... while he walked the earth he once said to me - not once but twice as if to emphasize - "It's a wonderful world." ...and it is a wonderful world, no matter how cynical or depressed a person gets. FWIW Andy