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To: MikeM54321 who wrote (4131)6/10/1999 7:45:00 PM
From: Regis McConnell  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12823
 
Thanx MikeM, somehow the Fore piece had slipped into the neverlands in the back of my brain. A vacume of a black hole if ever there was.;-) I only came across Macaroni/Marconi yesterday reading the Bell South story. I really had no idea what had become of Reltec. Thanx again for the info. As is so often the case, you go thru one door & are presented w/three others.;-)

Regis



To: MikeM54321 who wrote (4131)6/10/1999 8:19:00 PM
From: Kenneth E. De Paul  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12823
 
Take the money and run!



To: MikeM54321 who wrote (4131)6/10/1999 10:59:00 PM
From: Frank A. Coluccio  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12823
 
Regis, MikeM, Thread,

One cannot compare ONUs to PONs, for they are two
distinctly different types of network elements.

An optical network unit or ONU is a field node that
terminates fibers from the passive star couplers upstream, in
the case of PON networks, and may contain channel units which
are I/O ports for specific types of services. POTS, ADSL, T1,
VDSL, ISDN, etc. We have to be careful here, because ONUs are
also used in topologies other than PON.

A passive optical network, or PON, in contrast, is the fiber
distribution component of the deep fiber neighborhood
network which is comprised of fiber optic strands and
passive star couplers. The couplers do not use
amplification, thus they are considered passive. And this is
where PON derives its passive name.

The coupler may have a single strand going into it (from the
central office or HDT) and up to 32 strands coming out. Each
of the 32 strands coming out in turn, terminates into a field
Optical Network Unit, or ONU. From the ONU individual
conductors of various types are sent to businesses and
residences. The type of media is specific to the type of
service; the distances involved; and the manufacturers' and
providers' preferences, where options are available.

Whereas ATM Passive Optical Networks or APONs use this
topology, other direct means are available, using similar
approaches. I am not certain what the DISC*S range of options
is, but you can get a sense from the following:

From the Marconi site:

Integrated Voice, Video and Data Over a Single Fiber

The Marconi Fiber-to-the Curb (FTTC) approach - DISC*S
FiberStar -- is unique and innovative. A single-mode,
bi-directional optical fiber carries voice, video and data signals
between the DISC*S Host Digital Terminal (HDT) and an
Optical Network Unit (ONU) located near the customer
premises. Each ONU can serve seven to eight single-family
homes or 10 to 12 apartments.


[[fac edit: Note, at this juncture is where the passive 12-
strand/or 12-port coupler may be used.]]

The ONU is positioned within 500 feet of the end-user, so no
passband modulation is required (eliminating the attenuation
and crosstalk problems of competitor systems located at
greater distances). The 500-foot proximity of the DISC*S
ONU enables virtually unlimited, symmetrical high-bandwidth
transport over existing twisted-pair copper wire or coaxial
cable."


--------

The "low powered" ONU has no special (or comparative)
significance vis a vis PONS, here. It's called low powered
simply because it consumes far less power than previous (or
other manufacturers') ONUs, according to the claims of the
vendor.

---------

Do I think that the variety of speeds and contrasting standards
is all marketing hype? Absolutely not, although I have some
doubts as to the affordability of the higher rates to residential
users.

But for the business variety of users, and for schools and
municipal offices, etc., I can certainly see GE being deployed
at some point in time, and certainly 100 Mb/s now. Maybe the
100 Mb/s to SOHOs, and definitely 10 BaseT to residentials
now. What I suspect, however, is that the ILECs will continue
to cling to the DS-0 value basis, and charge inordinately high
prices for the higher speeds, in comparison to the decreasing
costs which they will enjoy through optical economies. I have
no foundation for this yet, but it's just a gut, and I hope I'm
wrong.

You must remember that when you consider the range of
services available from FTTC architectures, you have to
divorce your present thinking from your your previous notions of
what the cable modem model based on HFC ystems are capable of in
the data services space.

Where HFC normally only delivers up to 38 Mb/s maximum,
over a single 6 MHz channel, which is then reduced radically
to something less than 30 Mb/s, and must then be shared by
500 to 2000 users, FTTC now brings the potential for
multi-hundred gigabits per second to the ONU, to be
distributed to a comparatively smaller number of users over
shorter distances. Night and Day, and whole new vistas open
up.

You can think of FTTC in some ways as a fiber optic
backbone extension to a LAN closet in a corporate setting,
say, on the 15th floor of an office building, or a multiple media
access unit on a trading floor which is no different than those
bay/nortel and 3com 100 mb hubs being used there today.
There would be no material difference, save for possibly
some penalties incurred in the way of diminishing bit rates
(still in the multi-gigabit aggregate range potential, however) if
distances were severe, causing the fiber optic loss budget to
begin to suffer.

Some helpful links from the Marconi site follow.

marconicomms.com

The option exists to use either fiber or copper to the user
termination point, as stated:

"Most communications services can be deployed directly
from the DISCHS Host Digital Terminal (HDT). Or, to
extend the reach and optimize the speed and reliability of
service delivery, use DISC*S FiberStarTM or DISC*S
CopperStarTM technology."


marconicomms.com

I would look for a little peer review here, folks. Tim,
Bernard, Denver... speak up. I know that I must have some
of the Marconi issues either overly abbreviated, or
misconstrued. Then again, maybe not. I did not find the level
of detail in their description on their web site, to be
absolutely comfortable and sure.

Comments welcome.

Regards, Frank Coluccio



To: MikeM54321 who wrote (4131)6/10/1999 11:25:00 PM
From: Frank A. Coluccio  Respond to of 12823
 
Some really great reporting there, Mike, thanks.

"I can't tell you how many times I've referred back to our ANTC/NT/BAY/Arris Interactive - Cornerstone posts. Sounds like if Marconi Communications becomes a hot company, maybe this post will be good for future reference."

I'm to the point that I use this thread so much as a database that I am about to hire a summer intern to download every post from day one, not only here but on several other threads, and create a relational search tool for navigating through them. I certainly wish that the search features on SI were more up to speed with the times.

Anyway, I fully know what you mean regarding the value of many of the posts in these discussions. They have proved to be almost invaluable to me, at times.

Regards, Frank Coluccio



To: MikeM54321 who wrote (4131)8/21/1999 1:13:00 PM
From: MikeM54321  Respond to of 12823
 
Re: BellSouth's FTTH Plans with Marconi

"We had a discussion on this thread, concerning Realtec about 8 months ago. Now, Cleveland based Realtec has been renamed Marconi Communications. So we'll probably be hearing more and more about Marconi. This confusing post may be a good point for future reference."

Thread,
Here's an interesting article (hope it hasn't already been posted) about bringing fiber closer to the home (FTTH). For those that don't already know, in order for the telcos to win the bandwidth war against the cable companies, they need to bring fiber optics closer to the end user. At that point they change over to the good old twisted copper pair. IMHO, the ILECs will not win the bandwidth battle unless they commit to bringing fiber in closer to their customers.

So the big decisions the incumbent phone companies (ILEC) are making, is how far do they run the fiber out of their COs(central offices)? Of course the closer they bring it to the user, the more bandwidth they can pump over the tiny copper wires, but the more expensive the deployment is.

Seems bringing it only to the curb (FTTC)causes havoc when the weather turns bad and rains all over the field cabinet. This is where light is converted to electricity, so it must be kind of touchy.

As an alternative, where it doesn't make economical sense to run the fiber all the way to the home, BellSouth has coined another term, Integrated Fiber in the Loop (IFITL). I don't understand why it's different from FTTC? Maybe it's not but BellSouth just wanted to create an acronym from scratch to confuse us even more.
MikeM(From Florida)

PS1 I think I spelled the former "Realtec" incorrectly in my linked post above. I believe it was, "Reltec."

PS2 Regis sorry but I just realized this is a re-hash of your post of June 10th. But at least pasting it below will save it for future reference.
___________________________

Affordable at last?

BellSouth taps Marconi for FTTH

Conventional wisdom says fiber to the home is too expensive. But BellSouth?which announced last week that it would test a fiber solution based on passive optical networking to 400 homes in Dunwoody, Ga.?believes that architecture may be more economical in the long run than fiber to the curb.

The carrier has been deploying FTTC in new network builds since 1995 to support POTS and has been concerned about operational costs associated with the active electronics in the optical network unit at the curb. With FTTH, those electronics are at the home.

"The home is a much more benign environment," said Dave Kettler, executive director for BellSouth science and technology.

Although the initial installation cost for FTTH is higher than FTTC, Kettler believes FTTH will reduce ongoing operational costs by avoiding problems such as wasp nests and hot temperatures that plague FTTC systems.

FTTH will also lower power consumption costs by using a single-fiber architecture. "Others may take a dual-fiber approach, but using our FiberStar access platform can prove more cost-effective," said Mark Cannata, vice president of access network systems marketing for Marconi.

The FTTH system, which BellSouth is purchasing from Marconi, will support up to 100 Mb/s of data connectivity, although initially the carrier will offer digital subscriber line speeds. Eventually the system could be upgraded to higher data rates, and those upgrades will be easier with FTTH than with FTTC, said Kettler.

Customers in the Dunwoody trial will be able to obtain 120 channels of digital video, 70 channels of analog video and 31 channels of CD-quality digital audio service. Depending on the trial?s results, BellSouth may decide to deploy FTTH more broadly, said Kettler.

In the meantime, the carrier will emphasize what it calls integrated fiber in the loop (IFITL). IFITL brings fiber to the curb, but in addition to POTS service, it offers entertainment video and brings both a copper pair and a coax connection to the home.

For video transmission, fiber must be closer to the end user, said Cannata. But, deep fiber is not always the right thing to do, he added. "There are still cases where utilizing existing copper makes sense, but for this type of deployment, the economics are hard to beat."

BellSouth expects to reach 300,000 homes with FTTC and 200,000 homes with IFITL by the end of the year.



To: MikeM54321 who wrote (4131)11/2/1999 1:11:00 PM
From: MikeM54321  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12823
 
Re: GEC p.l.c. Selling Marconi?

Thread,
As a Last Mile investor, this bit of news caught my attention. Does anyone know anything about this situation?

From what I recall, Marconi (ex Realtec) is/was a DLC powerhouse. Marconi is part Fore Systems and part Realtec and whatever else it had in it's stable before they purchased these two US companies (see linked upstream post).
MikeM(From Florida)
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GEC shares up on IT reclassification hopes

LONDON, Nov 2 (Reuters) - Shares in the General Electric Company rose sharply in late trade on Tuesday,
amid hopes it would fetch a higher rating if, as expected, it is reclassified as an IT stock after the sale of its
Marconi unit is completed
, analysts said.

GEC closed up 34-1/2p or 5.2 percent to 699-1/2p in active volume of 16.6 million shares and was the biggest
gainer in the FTSE 100.