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To: jbe who wrote (40111)	6/12/1999 12:20:00 AM
From: Graystone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Pretty soon we devolve or Is Sufism devolution ? Is devolution desirable. Can the light be dark ?

To: jbe who wrote (40111)	6/12/1999 12:23:00 AM
From: Graystone	Respond to of 108807

And He Said "May God be Pleased With Him" or Allah is all Allah is all that is not Allah Allah is all that is Allah

To: jbe who wrote (40111)	6/12/1999 12:46:00 AM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

No. You are still using human words and concepts in an attempt to define or classify. God is. What, how, why, where he/she/it/they is is beyond any human thought or language. I can see intersections of God and man -- in my daughters, in Mozart, in many places. I can try to describe and define those intersections. But they do not begin to define or describe God. Steven brought up Flatland. Do you know it? The Flatlanders live on a plane. Various solids float through the plane from time to time. A cube, for example, floating through will first manifest itself as a point (unless one face is perfectly parallel to the flatland plane), then as a closed figure of straight lines of changing shape gradually growing larger, then gradually growing smaller, then as a point, then as nothing. They can describe the point and the shapes, since those are figures they know from life on their plane. But they can have no conception of the shape of the cube, since they can have no conception of the third dimension. The difference between man and God is almost infinitely more complex than that. I can see what I believe are manifestations of God's presence in the world. But I can't even begin to define God in human language or concepts. Not as absolutely indefinable, since definition is a human concept. Not as void, not as anything we have a word for.