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To: Scumbria who wrote (61598)	6/12/1999 10:21:00 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573852

Re: "My reaction to Dirk's presentation was that they did everything right on K7. The best Intel can hope to do in the x86 arena is to achieve parity with Willamette. Coppermine will be left behind in the dust." Assuming the SPEC ratios presented Thursday night were representative of the K7 AMD will be shipping, and I have no reason to doubt them, I think your conclusion is correct regarding FP however I think INT will be a different story. Coppermine will likely match K7 in INT or slightly beat it. Nevertheless, the K7 is an excellent design. The question is, will it be a successful product? EP

To: Scumbria who wrote (61598)	6/12/1999 10:50:00 PM
From: Gary Ng	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573852

Scumbria, Re: My reaction to Dirk's presentation was that they did everything right on K7 If by K7 you mean the CPU itself, I agree. If K7 you mean a complete system, I wonder. When do you think a K7 based system would hit the shelf ? Gary

To: Scumbria who wrote (61598)	6/13/1999 12:47:00 AM
From: grok	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573852

RE: <My reaction to Dirk's presentation was that they did everything right on K7. The best Intel can hope to do in the x86 arena is to achieve parity with Willamette. Coppermine will be left behind in the dust.> I agree that the design team did everything right. But I suppose that Coppermine will at least match if not beat K7 in integer due to higher frequency and more on chip cache. The higher frequency will be due to 0.18u. I don't know what frequency Coppermine will come out at. I've heard something recently that said 600 then 667 then 722 (I think). But if PIII is yielding at 550 in 0.25u then I would expect that Coppermine in 0.18u would do 700 easy since Intel's 0.18u transistors are awesome. The actual intro of the higher frequency Coppermines now becomes part of Intel executing under pressure. If they do well at this then I expect that they wouldn't be behind in integer during 1999. And I don't expect AMD to have K7 shipping in 0.18 in Q4. (More like middle of 2000 in my opinion.) Then we'll have K7 in 0.18u vs Willamette in 0.18u. But, again, the higher pressure will be on Intel to execute. All of the above is contingent on Intel avoiding Rambus quicksand which could shift the whole integer performance race back to AMD if Intel forces box makers to use Camino+risercard+sdram or 600 MHz drdram or just expensive 800 MHz drdram (so box makers don't even use Coppermine). I fully believe that Intel will pull all of this off because they are a first class organization. But it looks like a few cracks are starting to show. Soon every sentence will begin: "If Intel ..."