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To: jbe who wrote (40386)	6/13/1999 4:47:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 108807

Re objective vs. subjective, be sure not to miss my post Message 10100705

To: jbe who wrote (40386)	6/13/1999 11:20:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Science is an analytic activity. Art is an expressive activity. The means by which we compare the outcomes of these differing categories of human endeavor must recognize the radically different ends to which they are directed. It seems to me that this discussion of 'truth' applied to art is proceeding without the required common agreement, or stipulation, on what 'truth' is supposed to mean, when applied to a work of art, (as opposed to when applied to a scientific conclusion.) My impression is that the failure to reach agreement on an operational definition of what 'truth' is going to mean to the discussants is bedeviling the whole exchange. P.S. About the related but not identical subject, the ranking of art works: Comparison of one work of art against another can only be accomplished by reference to a set of agreed on criteria and estimating which works of art satisfy more completely the full range of those criteria. There's no mystery about this process-- although there may be lively negotiation around assembling the criteria. Different groups of art aficionados may assemble different ranking-criteria, of course. (And usually these are not made explicit, but are agreed upon by consensus within informal affinity/interest groups: NY artists, SF artists, LA artists, investment collectors, Museum curators, the editors of art journals, established artists, younger and/or struggling artists, feminist artists, gay and lesbian artists... etc. This is, of course, only one small subculture of the art world I'm talking about here! There are thousands upon thousands of subcultures, and a multiple of that many agglomerations of 'judges' operating within each of them, with their own implicitly agreed-on criteria of excellence.)