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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (6482)	6/17/1999 4:57:00 AM
From: d:oug	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81982

Ron, another threader here can help me answer you by posting the pages from Ayn Rand that talk about the "Sanction of the Victim". In a nutshell, the only way that those who believe in a gold standard for paper money can let those like you prevent it from happening is to help you defeat us in our attempts to have a gold standard happen. Since your position is wrong, and its an economic issue, then the only way you can keep a failed policy going after it become rotten and has nothing solid to keep it alive as it becomes more and more infected, is to have us who are hurt by it the most, work and produce and help you at the top sucking the results of our work. You will ofcourse pass a law forcing us to help you, our destroyers. Or if not a law, then flip moral codes so that we have to help our destroyers because if we don't people will suffer, and its not correct to let people suffer. ....... Seems so simple, just read Ayn Rands books. But no, because in your and Hutch's case you will take the good and twist it so that you can create a weapon to use against those who agree with Ayn Rand. You might say to yourself, "know thy enemy", read their book = battle plan, and counter. It will work IF we help you attack us. Again, a gold standard for Fiat money because those who control the printing presses might not be moral and honest and ..... and might be fooled by those like Ron and Hutch since they seem to have strong and solid points, but its really rusted and infected metal with a coat of new paint and perfumed added. And you now ask me to help you push it into my gut, me the victim. Sorry, I know of "Sanction of the Victim", and will not help you and will watch you fall apart. I know how to build, you only know how to destroy that which I have built. Doug

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (6482)	6/17/1999 7:18:00 AM
From: Mark Bartlett	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81982

Ron, <<Somehow I feel like I'm the one being persecuted here. I'm not telling anyone not to buy gold. I'm just voicing the other side which so many folks like Bill Murphy, DoubleD, and Richard seem not to want to be discussed.>> We have heard your argument - the same one - for months now. You are free to express it - but you dominate the board with the same words time and time again ... we are sick of listening to it. The crux of our 2 sides is as follows - we have different opinions about what gold is, what it represents and what its potential value is. Often they are based on emotion and psychology, not just pure logic. That is valid ... the market now is nothing but psychology and emotion. Asking us to explain why and when gold will go up is a waste of time. It will go up when the psychology and the emotion are on its side ....... that may be tomorrow, next year or perhaps never. Finally - we are not on a gold standard as you well know. Do we have to be, for gold to be a safe haven in times of financial turmoil - IMO no. 1979-1980 answered that question. Have a good day, MB

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (6482)	6/17/1999 7:56:00 AM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 81982

HOMESTAKE CEO: CENTRAL BANK GOLD LENDING MAY BE NEARING END New York--Jun 16--Gold lending by central banks has been a key reason bullion prices have been taking a beating, but this may soon be coming to an end as banks are running out of gold to lend, Homestake Mining Co. CEO Jack Thompson said in an interview with Bridge News. Thompson said gold is close to bottoming out not only for this reason, but because demand is very robust.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (6482)	6/17/1999 9:10:00 AM
From: long-gone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81982

OT <<So who is abridging who's 1st amendment rights here??>> Ron, You have had(at least) one of my posts deleted by S.I. management when you felt slandered. You have slandered me(the numerous references to your opinion of my density and "Harmonium") you have also slandered DD, Mark, and others here(asking what Bill was smoking). I have not asked your slanderous posts be deleted. There is your answer! When you don't like what is said, you force the post be deleted. When others don't like your posts and ask you to simply leave you roll in the flag and claim first amendment rights. You can't have it both ways! You freely stated you wanted to assure no one puts any money into gold. This is negative investment advice. I have given no investment advice(pro or con) on anything, yet, I'm willing to state freely and clearly my every position and every position(I can find out) of everyone who gives me any paycheck). You refuse to give up this information. When you act as an investment advisor, disclosure of position is required! I have not acted in this capacity while you have! Do you (or anyone that provides you with any income) have any major position (long or short) in gold or any mining company? Are you invested in any mutual fund or in any hedge fund which holds any such position? When(and only when) we know what drives your anti-gold investment advice, I will be glad to continue these talks. Again, you can't have it both ways!