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To: TigerPaw who wrote (83727)	6/17/1999 7:14:00 PM
From: kash johal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Tigerpaw, Re: "two systems with everything equal except the memory I just happen to have them side by side on my bench. Almost identical except one has Camino and one has BX. The Rambus is noticably peppier even with the slowest DRDRAM." Well thats great news. Finally somebody playing with this stuff. Can you post the % difference in winstone 99 say for RDRAM (slow and fast) over PC 100 and PC133 SDRAM. This feedback would be greatly appreciated as we have some folks stating no improvement at all all the way to folks forecasting 10%+ improvement. Regards, Kash.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (83727)	6/17/1999 7:50:00 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

<I just happen to have them side by side on my bench. Almost identical except one has Camino and one has BX. The Rambus is noticably peppier even with the slowest DRDRAM.> Here's an interesting question. Are there any situations where the 440BX system is faster than the Camino system with the slowest DRDRAM? I'm trying to get a picture of the worst-case scenario regarding DRDRAM's effects on performance. I know there has to be a few, even though I've become a big DRDRAM advocate as of late. Tenchusatsu

To: TigerPaw who wrote (83727)	6/17/1999 9:21:00 PM
From: grok	Respond to of 186894

I'm sorry if I jumped on you when you just wandered in. I've been driving the point here for a week or two that Intel is rushing too fast to force rambus everywhere and this is a mistake that will backfire on Coppermine. My premise is that the place where rambus bandwidth is least useful is the simple desktop machines with simple workloads such as are used by most consumers or business people. (A whole different story in servers or graphics applications.) My reasoning is that in PCs like these the caches work pretty well so the bandwidth between CPU and memory does not have to be large to handle the cache miss traffic and these systems are much more sensitive to latency. But I have to tell you that I have no data to back up my claims either and I'm just using gut feel. RE: <two systems with everything equal except the memory I just happen to have them side by side on my bench. Almost identical except one has Camino and one has BX. The Rambus is noticably peppier even with the slowest DRDRAM.> Your report is the first report I've seen anywhere of anyone actually doing this. So now I'm feeling real bad about jumping on you like that. And now I'm very interested about hearing more about your systems. What are they and what are they running? What sdrams are you using? Please tell.