To: E who wrote (29250 ) 6/17/1999 9:25:00 PM From: nihil Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 71178
When my sons each started bringing girls (one at a time) home and taking them to their rooms, emerging periodically half-dressed to take loads of food into their rooms (each had a private full bath) I figured something was up. We had discussed biological details, dissected dead mammals, looked at detailed pictures of human beings making love since they started reading at five or six. We paid little attention to nudity or dress and they were naked frequently swimming at the farm, and around the house. I bought each of them Porsche 914's (absolutely impossible to have sex in) and told them if they got the opportunity to make love to bring the girl home with her explicit permission or agreement. I told them not to introduce the girl to us, or ask our permission, not to have sex with anyone under 15. This was to protect all of us from statutory rape and contributing charges. We told them individually and in general conversation that I thought sex was great, that it was moral if you truly liked the girl and she agreed. I told them if they just wanted to get their rocks off, not to annoy a girl. But if they wanted love they had to please the woman first. My wife warned them about force and being too oppressive. I told them I had never hit a woman and they must not ever hit a woman either. I told them never to tease a girl. I told them to love one woman at a time. I warned them of the danger of seducing girls, especially highly religious girls, and to avoid virgins if possible. I told them to discuss as best they were able to discuss what they had in mind before they got alone and safe with a girl. I taught them details of contraception and provided them with appropriate equipment. Of course, they were terribly embarrassed but intensely interested. They were all well educated at school, where they spent a lot of time on oversolicitous information about emotions. This was great for the girls, but scary for the boys. All of them have had long-term relationships. One was deserted by his child's mother and is raising a (planned for) daughter under shared custody. Another lives with a woman who because she has health problems doesn't want a child and doesn't want to marry. They seem permanently mated. The third has a long-term relationship with a woman who will get her doctorate somewhare on the mainland and doesn't want to be married but separated. He may go with her and get his doctorate. They have all had romantic ups and downs. They seem very loving, except the single parent son is really fed up with women as permanent accouterments. He has some friendly (possibly sexual) relationships with somewhat older women that he does not discuss with me, but he says he'll never fall in love again. I am quite satisfied with the results, but I could use some more grandchildren.