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To: Machaon who wrote (12464)6/18/1999 5:05:00 PM
From: goldsnow  Respond to of 17770
 
Robert I demand that you retract your post....too many would agree with it..This is not fair....<gg>



To: Machaon who wrote (12464)6/18/1999 5:20:00 PM
From: goldsnow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 17770
 
Are you loosing faith in KLA? Ashamed to admit? <gg>

NATO Disarms, Seizes Kosovo Rebels

Friday, 18 June 1999
P R I S T I N A , Y U G O S L A V I A (AP)

WITH KLA rebels trying to expand their presence in Kosovo, NATO
peacekeepers seized a weapons cache and took 25 rebel members
into custody Friday after finding mistreated prisoners at a police
station. One elderly man was found dead, chained to a chair.

NATO pledged to put more military police on the streets to
reinforce its authority and make the troubled province safe for Serbs
who are fleeing by the thousands.

Serbs, however, reported Kosovo Liberation Army attacks across the
province. German peacekeepers detained the 25 guerrilla members
and rescued 15 battered Gypsies and ethnic Albanians in Prizren in
what they said may be a KLA torture chamber for alleged
collaborators.

Russian and U.S. negotiators, meanwhile, reached agreement on
Russia's role in the peacekeeping mission after three days of
meetings in Helsinki, Finland.

The United States, France, Britain, Germany and Italy have divided
Kosovo into five sectors for peacekeeping that Russia wants to be
part of. The Helsinki negotiations had been stuck on the question of
giving Russia a "zone of responsibility" in Kosovo until Friday's
agreement.

Russian envoy Viktor Chernomyrdin played a substantial role in
persuading Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic to accept the
peace agreement and Russia's participation in peacekeeping is seen
as important.

KLA rebels killed three Serbs in central Novo Selo and southern
Kosovska Kamenica, and kidnapped 18 Serbs in villages near Pristina,
the Serb Media Center reported. The report could not be
independently confirmed.

German peacekeepers taking over a police station from the rebels in
Kosovo's second-largest city found 15 Gypsies and ethnic Albanians,
many of them chained to radiators, most of them bruised and bloody.
They also found an elderly man chained to a chair who appeared to
have died just before the Germans arrived, said German army
spokesman Lt. Col. Dietmar Jeserich.

The Prizren police station, which had been in the hands of the KLA
since early this week, also contained grenades, machine guns,
mortars and shells - and spike-studded truncheons.

Reports of abuse and violence multiplied: a Serb couple found dead
on their home's doorstep, a 16-year-old Serb killed in a country road
ambush.

Up to 50,000 Serb civilians have already left Kosovo and the rest are
increasingly fearful as Serb troops pull out to comply with last week's
peace deal. Already, three-quarters of the 40,000 troops once in the
province have left and the remainder are due out by midnight
Sunday.

The leader of the Serbian Orthodox Church came to the city of Pec,
the church's birthplace, pleading with his flock to follow his example
and remain in what Serbs consider the cradle of their culture.

But the German forces responsible for southwestern Kosovo said that
in Orahovac, 30 miles southwest of Pristina, a delegation led by Lt.
Col. Gen. Obrad Stevanovic of the Serbian special police was urging
the last 3,000 Serbs in town to leave.

Across the province, Serb civilians seemed increasingly eager to
listen to such talk.

In the eastern town of Pasjane, after KLA members pulled two Serbs
from their car and beat them savagely, a group of Serbs surrounded
a U.S. Marine checkpoint where the men were taken, demanding
that the peacekeepers protect them.

"You made the security leave - now you have to replace it!" one Serb
shouted.

NATO began to respond to those demands, setting up roadblocks in
Pristina and seizing dozens of weapons. At one checkpoint, soldiers
reached into civilian cars and fished out rifles, grenades and
ammunition clips.

While German troops had let rebels bring guns in across the
Albanian border only a day earlier, commanders said they were
cracking down, and banned rebels from carrying weapons in Prizren
as of midnight Friday.

South of Pristina, a Royal Irish regiment took 50 weapons from a
group of Kosovo rebels on Thursday, British Maj. Gen Richard
Dannatt said.

He said NATO forces have called in more military police to help
restore order and to fill a "vacuum" left by the departure of the Serb
police.

The Yugoslav foreign ministry's liaison with the peacekeepers,
Nebojsa Vujovic, met with the force's commander, British Gen. Mike
Jackson, and said he recognized that the peacekeepers were trying
to crack down on the rebels.

"Gen. Jackson publicly promised the international troops would
absolutely protect the safety of every Serb, Montenegrin and other
non-Albanian national threatened by the terrorists," he said,
according to the government Tanjug news agency.

The allied nations and the international war crimes tribunal for
Yugoslavia also agreed Friday that the peacekeepers will take an
active role in bringing suspected war criminals to justice. Milosevic
and four top aides were indicted last month on war crime charges.

Chief prosecutor Louise Arbour of Canada said the allies' role in
dealing with suspected war criminals will be "considerably different"
from that of the NATO-led force in Bosnia that has been criticized
for not detaining indicted Serb leaders.

Meanwhile, ethnic Albanian refugees continued to pour back into
Kosovo on cars, trucks and tractors. About 50,000 had returned by
Thursday night and thousands more streamed across the borders on
Friday, the U.N. refugee agency said.

British Rear Adm. Simon Moore said peacekeepers were helping to
restore water and electricity, cut off to much of Kosovo by NATO's
78-day bombing campaign and Serb's destruction.

"Over the next few days priorities will include water, power supplies
and other key elements for the infrastructure," he said.

The evidence of Serb atrocities during NATO's bombing campaign
continued to mount as well. The discoveries were all too familiar: a
well filled with decomposing bodies; a prison filled with apparent
instruments of torture.

Villagers in Dragacin, north of Prizren, told German troops that the
well was filled with the bodies of 11 elderly men killed in late April.
When Serb troops approached, young men fled into the woods and
the Serbs ordered the women and children to leave. The old men
have never been found. The Germans found one body and sealed off
the area.



To: Machaon who wrote (12464)6/18/1999 5:28:00 PM
From: goldsnow  Respond to of 17770
 
Gun law takes over as snipers pose
threat to fragile peace
SNIPERS are the latest curse to grip Pristina as British
troops struggle to prevent gun law taking hold in the
capital.

Three people have been shot dead in the past three days
by snipers who are once more emptying streets that had
only just come back to life.

Another man was hit yesterday as he drove through the
busiest thoroughfare in Pristina, prompting military
commanders to fear the start of a sniper war that would
paralyse what progress to peace has been made.

British troops were confiscating weapons from fighters of
the Kosovo Liberation Army last night to stem the
growing exodus of Serb families who complain they are
now victims of gun law.

Paratroopers had to rescue the latest victim, a Serb, who
was targeted by a gunman hiding in a tower block. They
searched apartments amid reports that KLA hit teams are
stalking Serb security forces who they claim have
discarded their uniforms and are still operating in the
capital.

A senior KLA official told The Times last night: "We
know who the Serb secret police are and if Nato won't
deal with them, we will."

Yesterday a 20-mile queue of cars, buses and tractors
snaked out of Urosevac in southern Kosovo as almost all
the 30,000 Serbs there fled the area after reports that
KLA gunmen had kidnapped six Serb youths.

Gripping the wheel of his car, Rade Budic said: "We are
refugees now. We have been ethnically cleansed by Nato
and their allies, the KLA."

The 55-year-old factory owner and the six members of
his family squeezed into his car described how KLA
gunmen told them to leave their homes.

"Only the very old are left. They are kidnapping our boys
and yet we are not given protection as Nato promised."
Behind him in the queue, Slavica Blaziq sat in the front of
her car and wept. "I have lived here all my life. Think what
you like about the Yugoslav Army but why must we suffer
now? No one has sympathy for us," she said.

Personal appeals from the likes of Lieutenant-General Sir
Michael Jackson and most of his senior commanders to
Serb communities have failed to stop an estimated 50,000
leaving since Monday.

If the drain continues at this pace by the time the last Serb
security forces pull out by Sunday's night deadline, Nato's
aim of protecting a multi-ethnic Kosovo could prove futile.

There were scenes of near panic at Pristina's main bus
station as thousands tried to get on the last coach heading
for Belgrade yesterday. Parents could be seen trying to
shove their crying children through the open door of the
already overcrowded bus as it was pulling out.

One man who could not find a space on the bus sank to
his knees saying "the KLA are the law, not Nato". Like
most he refused to give his name, fearing reprisals.

The KLA make no secret of their presence in Pristina.
They have taken one of the largest and most ostentatious
houses in the wealthy suburb of Kolvicere as their
temporary headquarters.

The sight of gun-toting KLA sentries in their lurid uniforms
parading outside the complex of villas they have acquired
does little to assuage Serb fears.

"We want a headquarters right in the heart of Pristina.
That is what we deserve and what the Albanian people
want but we are talking to Nato about it. Nato is the boss
in Kosovo at the moment," one officer said.

The various national contingents in Kfor are not bothering
to wait for any timetable to be signed in Tirana to grab as
many KLA guns as they can.

There is criticism the Germans were too lax in Prizren,
allowing gun-toting KLA men to take over headquarter
buildings left by departing Serbs.

American Marines have spent the past two days
encouraging camera crews to watch them conduct stop
and search operations on suspected KLA gunmen. In one
stand-off on the forecourt of a petrol station the
Americans raised their guns as two KLA men refused to
hand over their weapons.

British commanders want to avoid a shoot-out with the
150 KLA fighters known to be in the outskirts of the
capital so have not stormed their headquarters to seize its
armoury.

One officer said: "For the moment we are trying to
negotiate and the KLA are being largely compliant. But
the time is coming when they have to cough up everything
they have or we will take them".

Scotland's Daily Record said two of its journalists and
their Albanian interpreter were hurt when unidentified
gunmen fired at their car near the southern village of
Stimjle. Simon Houston, 30, a reporter, suffered a grazed
head and an injured arm and Chris Watt, 29, a
photographer, who was driving, was grazed by a bullet in
the incident Wednesday night. Xherdet Shabani, 28, an
interpreter, was shot in the shoulder.

the-times.co.uk



To: Machaon who wrote (12464)6/18/1999 8:39:00 PM
From: hui zhou  Respond to of 17770
 
> In the US, if you even kill a child you get free legal help and multiple free appeals, paid for by the taxpayers.

Does those free lawyers ever help you win the case?

I observe that U.S. Congressmen spend most of their time fighting for "three rights" , gun rights, abortion rights, gay rights back and forth forever. Those issues have little or nothing to do with my and many others life. I don't want to hear it and very sick of it.(May be you are very interested in). Does that represent the genius of democracy promoted by two Parties?

Back to Tiananmen, the marshal law was declared on May 18,1989. The government waited two more weeks and hope student withdrew. After seen no sign of the action and more unrest, they finally have no choice but act on June 4. On June 3, the radio and TV made a final appeal for the people withdrew immediately from the square and stay at home during the night. Hey, if you don't listen and disregard the marshal law and fool around the square at night. You do risk yourself to get shot.

I saw the PLA soliders got killed and burn to death on CCTV. That is never appear on your free press. The casualty may be several hundreds. But I listen to VOA and BBC claimed 5000 dead. I can tell you I start to loss confident to the Western press from that day .

The student occupied the square for two months. They block the traffic and disturb the routine business. The welcome ceremony supposed to be held in Tiananmen Square for the visiting Soviet President Gorbachev had no choice but to chang the place because the chaos. I don't know how long the U.S. government would like to tolerate and allow the citizen carried the communist flags block and occupied the entrance in front of White House and Pentagon?

Another thing, there is a organization called China-U.S. Co-operative Institution(using CIA technology) set up in Chongqiune during 1946 to 1949. to jail, torture and interrogate the anti-Chiang 's Nationalist(KMT) government actives and communists without a trial. Before the KMT army lost the war and withdrew from the city, they executed all the prisners including women and children held there. You know both President Jiang and Chairman Li Peng are orphan. Their parents are killed by the KMT in that way.