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To: The Philosopher who wrote (40757)	6/18/1999 7:54:00 PM
From: jbe	Respond to of 108807

Christopher, you show disrespect to atheists everywhere by not spelling their designation right! <gg>

To: The Philosopher who wrote (40757)	6/18/1999 7:58:00 PM
From: Rambi	Respond to of 108807

"Overtly" religious?? This is funny. Why not translate them then into a secular set of rules? WIth no mention of God? So that they would have meaning for all children?

To: The Philosopher who wrote (40757)	6/18/1999 8:44:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<<<I understand why you object to them. But should you be allowed to prohibit children (or parents or teachers or legislators) who want them in the classroom from having them there?>>> You continue to decline to tell me whether you should be allowed to prohibit children (or parents or teachers or legislators) who want Mill, Bentham and Hume in the classroom, a list of their precepts posted behind the teacher, from having them there alongside of 'God's' 'Commandments.' <<<BTW, the 1st Amendment guarantees "free exercise of religion." It does NOT guarantee free exercise of aethism unless you are prepared to admit that aethism is a religion.>>> Christopher, tell me that this was being playful, and not that you are prepared, seriously, to deprive me of equal rights to 'exercise' atheism -- my approach to the concept of a 'God' -- on those grounds. As for 'admitting' atheism is a religion, as long as we have the definitions clear, I'll admit it is a cactus. So let's say I 'admit' that both theism and atheism are cactuses, or that both are religions... now will you allow me the same rights of 'exercise' as you would claim for yourself? Or still not.

To: The Philosopher who wrote (40757)	6/18/1999 8:48:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

>>>>>But they don't establish any religion. They are basically moral precepts with a religious origin and a few general religious edicts tossed in front.<<<<<< Nice try, counsellor! "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. "You shall have no other gods before [1] me. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand [generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments. "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name. "Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you do. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the LORD your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day. "Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you, so that you may live long and that it may go well with you in the land the LORD your God is giving you. "You shall not murder. "You shall not commit adultery. "You shall not steal. "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor. "You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. You shall not set your desire on your neighbor's house or land, his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."