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To: Ilaine who wrote (40947)6/19/1999 7:52:00 PM
From: jpmac  Respond to of 108807
 
And James Monroe. Here's a link to James Madison's "Memorial and Remonstrance" written in 1785 to the Assembly of Virginia. He was arguing against a law that would have established Christian teachers.
odur.let.rug.nl

I especially like point 6:

6. Because the establishment proposed by the Bill is not requisite for the support of the Christian Religion. To say that it is, is a contradiction to the Christian Religion itself, for every page
of it disavows a dependence on the powers of this world: it is a contradiction to fact; for it is known that this Religion both existed and flourished, not only without the support of human laws,
but in spite of every opposition from them, and not only during the period of miraculous aid, but long after it had been left to its own evidence and the ordinary care of Providence. Nay, it is a
contradiction in terms; for a Religion not invented by human policy, must have pre-existed and been supported, before it was established by human policy. It is moreover to weaken in those who profess this Religion a pious confidence in its innate excellence and the patronage of its Author; and to foster in those who still reject it, a suspicion that its friends are too conscious of its fallacies to trust it to its own merits.



To: Ilaine who wrote (40947)6/19/1999 8:36:00 PM
From: Chuzzlewit  Respond to of 108807
 
Want to bet that the "Christians" (self-proclaimed, of course) won't retract? Evidence is simply ignored by these folks.

The idiocy, of course, is that America was set up in defiance of the concept of "divine right", which was the "Christian" dogma of the time.

TTFN,
CTC