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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (41204)	6/20/1999 6:24:00 PM
From: Father Terrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Want a neutral state? Get them out of the education business. Privatize all the schools.

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (41204)	6/20/1999 8:49:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I agree with Terry that the problem is that our tax dollars are paying for public education, so we all feel that we should have a say to promote whatever agenda we happen to espouse. The poor children are a captive audience, just waiting to be indoctrinated. As the Jesuits say, let me teach a man before he is seven, and he is mine for life. My children are indoctrinated in morals and ethics at home, thank you, and I don't want amateurs messing with the good job I do. I might suggest that it's always "someone else's children" that need to be taught, isn't it, never our own?

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (41204)	6/20/1999 9:40:00 PM
From: Grainne	Respond to of 108807

One of the problems with Christian ideals is that they conflict in some ways with biological realities. The average age in industrialized societies that children become sexually active is 15.5 years at present. This is actually OLDER than it has been historically; in agrarian and primitive societies couples form pair bonds and start having children even earlier. Now it is wonderful when teenagers are able to abstain from sex until they are more mature, and I am certainly urging my daughter to do that, because I don't want her to get hurt or pregnant, or be thrown into emotional areas for which she is not ready. However, I am very glad that for teenagers who ARE sexually active there are condoms available in schools, because I think abortion is very sad, and so is teenagers having babies and limiting their futures. Several studies have also shown that the presence of condoms in schools does not cause children to become sexually active. So you kind of have to choose what is the best thing for the public health, taking into consideration that some teenagers are less mentally healthy, more experimental and rebellious, or less well guided by their parents (who may even be absent) than your teenagers are. Now if you have spent a lot of time talking to your teens and inculcating your own strong Christian values, your children should be able to think for themselves and not be affected by the fact that there are condoms at school for less moral children than yours. So how is that undermining your parental authority? Aren't you teaching your children to follow a particular code of behavior? If Christian moral teachings work only in a rigidly controlled environment, then perhaps they are weak and irrelevant. I would also note that the most recent statistics show that teenagers in America are doing less sexual experimenting, and getting pregnant less often. Now that is just wonderful. Have you EVER read any articles or interviews where pagans/agnostics/atheists/moderate Christians/free thinkers are arguing that this is horrible, that teenagers should be experimenting MORE? I doubt that you have, because most good parents have similar hopes and dreams for their children, and offer similar moral teachings. Why do you seem to always assume that Christian is better, without an iota of hard evidence?