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To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (41346)	6/21/1999 2:59:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Maybe a safer formulation is that universal free education is becoming recognized as a hallmark of a civilized society. Is your thesis, then, that if a society moves from either a purely private education system or a non-universal free public education system to a universal free education system it will necessarily become more civilized? And/or is your thesis that no society in the 21st century can be considered civilized if it does not have universal free education? And how much universal free education? Through any particular age? Any particular level of educational achievement? (If functional literacy is the goal, then we don't have it in the US today.) What about people who are functionally uneducable? And what is your definition of a civilized society? (No fair answering a question with a question -- I asked you first! <g>)

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (41346)	6/21/1999 7:42:00 PM
From: Father Terrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

There is no such thing as "universal free education", nor should there be. FT

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (41346)	6/21/1999 10:24:00 PM
From: Grainne	Respond to of 108807

<Anyone know anything about public education in the heyday of Rome or Greece?> I am not a historian, and don't know much at all about the heyday of Rome or Greece. However, I do remember reading recently that the peak of ancient Greek civilization was actually quite short, and that the leisure time and affluence it took for there to be a class of intellectuals was due to a large slave class. The article I was reading also pointed out that the same structure was true in our American colonial period at the time of the Revolution. As I am sure you all know, many of our Founding Fathers were slave owners. In any event, I doubt that public education was very much of a big thing in ancient Greek or Rome. Perhaps someone who knows more could comment.

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (41346)	6/21/1999 11:09:00 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

THis is from years ago- so I hope I remember correctly-- Greek education depended on whether you were Spartan or Athenian. THe Spartan system was public and geared toward equipping their war machine. And the Athenian was mainly private (a few public gymnasiums) and mostly for the wealthier. Slaves taught the younger children and it was mainly the males who were educated. They had so much less to learn back then! One language, mathematics, little science, and some literature. Our poor children have so much more to cover and understand!