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To: The Philosopher who wrote (41360)	6/21/1999 4:24:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Well goodness - You can't expect me to support TAHT! :-) maybe - "my" original topic? :-)

To: The Philosopher who wrote (41360)	6/21/1999 4:42:00 PM
From: Bill Ulrich	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Did we agree yet, on what 'civilized' actually means? Whilst some might limit it to having codified law, culture, custom, and some type of social refinement—reference definitions I find absolutely include the 'instruction' thereof, along with education: work.ucsd.edu:5141/cgi-bin/http_webster?isindex=civilized&method=exact “…to educate…instructed in arts, learning, and civil manners…” Were this education left to privatized methods, the advancement of knowledge would only reach a select few—too few to call the society as a whole, "civilized". Thus, the opportunity of education must be as broad and as far-reaching as possible. All of society, then, should contribute to the education of all of its members. I conclude that there should not be a tax break for those parents who have the means, and make the conscious decision to educate their own children in a private instituion—that the tax break would withhold funds for the purpose of educating all—the "general good," as it were. On the other hand—I, myself, have never argued with a lawyer and won. That's why I have to hire them. <gg>

To: The Philosopher who wrote (41360)	6/21/1999 5:05:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

EDIT -- Oops -- should have been posted to L.R.R. - I advertently went back and checked my post that he responded to and then responded to that. Okay, now that we've agreed that the original statement was wrong (subject to reconsideration if there is a convincing counterattack by Steven), we can move on to consider your statement: "Can we begin to expect a civilized, modern society to provide universal education?" Unfortunately this is a busy part of my day. But I have some thoughts I will share later which may make you rethink some parameters of that question. P.S. In the meantime, do you want to modify your question to make it "free (to the student) universal education"? It may make a difference!