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Subject: Interesting post from RB!
Date: Sat, 19 June 1999 12:30 PM EDT
From: Stock Buy
Message-id:
<19990619123020.18283.00001463@ng-ft1.aol.com>
*** POWERFUL BASHERS GAINING POWER ON SI? PLEASE
READ! ***
*** Will SI Members threaten to demand refunds in what has
become a rapidly degenerating posting board? Spamming on
threads is driving many public posters away and angering many!
Some stock threads have gone silent. Why is SI tolerating this
behavior? Will class
actions lawsuits really begin?
Read on.
HAVE YOU HEARD OF THEM? The most aggressive seem to be
JANICE SHELL and GRAYSTONE, but others include KASHA,
POET, 246810, JEFFREY S. MITCHELL, MR.FORTHRIGHT,
MARCOS, CATLADY, and others. Most appear together on the
above thread and on many other threads on SI.
(also see the threads: TAKING IT IN THE SHORTS, FBN,
FBNA, THREAD MORONS,DEATH THREAT THREAD,
JANICE SHELL FOR PRESIDENT, or any of the stock threads
they have invaded, namely CYGS, the most recent. Good place to
start:
exchange2000.com
If you are not aware, this is a group of people that go from thread
to thread claiming to have NO VESTED INTEREST in a stock, but
always attempt to spread fear and doubt without any conclusive
proof. They spend hundreds of hours a week occupying threads that
they have no
vested interest in (or so they say). They, like the infamous Stock
Detective, who some feel are one and the same, have targeted 5-10
companies recently that are obviously no where near the worst
companies they could have found. Even Janice Shell, who seems to
be the ringleader, admits (see below) that a couple of these stocks
are not worthy of their wrath..so why did they go after them and
bash? Read on.
HOW DOES THIS GROUP OPERATE?
They always pick stocks that have had a large run up. Then they
take turns attacking stock threads, so as not to exceed the 20 post
per day limit that SI has. But they spend hours and days, even
weeks on certain threads attacking, but always claim they have no
vested interest in that stock! It is almost beyond bizarre. They
attempt to wear people out and so frustrate them that the thread
soon bears no resemblance to the peaceful place it once was.
Instead it becomes a angry, frustrating place where information on
the company takes a back seat to personal attacks. So what is their
motive for doing what they do?
THEY CLAIM THEY ARE "HELPING EXPOSE HYPESTERS".
NO WAY. HERE'S WHY
They always maintain that they are exposing people who hype
stocks, yet they always seem to come onto stock threads whose
stocks have run up big (usually 500-1000% or more). Do you see
the fallacy of this claim? If they were truly trying to protect others
"from being taken"
by hypesters and pump artists would they not come into the stock
thread BEFORE the stock has a chance to run and before smaller
investors jumped on the bandwagon?
Because, isn't it usually the small investor buys near the highs, and
the hypester at the lows? Should they not attack these threads
before these stocks run up? The hypester, if one existed in the first
place, has already made "his or her "killing" in the stock they
target. No, it is the small investor they hurt most often. That is why
there is some much anger directed at them. In fact on the DEATH
THREATS thread they claim that many people have threatened
their lives.
Death Threats against them? If true, this is sad and troubling. It
makes you wonder why people even stick around SI anymore. The
climate has turned ugly. If you are lucky enough to have a stock that
runs up, you are likely to be paid a visit soon by some members of
this
"group".
Let's take a real example that started occurring this past weekend.
They invaded the CYGS stock thread. If their real intent was to
protect innocent investors from hypesters, why did they let CYGS
run
up from 30 cents to over $2.00 before saying anything? And why
don't they offer real proof if they honestly believe it is a scam?
They never offer real proof..never conclusive proof. That is what
angers people.
The modus operandi is to just plain WEAR PEOPLE OUT AND
SCARE AWAY NEW POTENTIAL INVESTORS. It is clear as
day.
In the past they have come onto threads suddenly, usually 1-2 come
in together, then maybe someone different comes in, while the first
2 leave for awhile. They have hit, among others, DGIV, INFE,
SGNC, and now, over the weekend, they have hit CYGS. They are
good at what
they do and many are afraid to fight them because they launch
personal attacks when you do. Many people avoid confrontation.
They seem to love it. They never give up. Too bad they don't apply
those traits more positively to fight real scam stocks, real
hypesters, real
bashers, and those Market Markets who scam the public. We
would all benefit.
**** BUT THE REAL QUESTION IS: WHY DO THEY SPEND
SO MANY 100's OF HOURS EACH WEEK ATTACKING
STOCK HREADS AND BASHING IF THEY HAVE NO
VESTED INTERST, AS THEY CLAIM??
Don't most of us enjoy posting about stocks we like?
Don't most of us think there is something wrong about bashing
stocks that other people have a vested interest in? Especially when
they have no real proof. At the very least is it not in bad taste
dissenting views and questions?
So, what is their real motive, many have ask?
Why do they rarely spend ANY time (that's right virtually 0%)
being positive about a stock THEY own?
Why do they spend virtually 100% (yes, 100%) of their time on
stock threads attacking, when they don't have any vested interest in
that stock? At the very least is it not odd behavior?
Here are some theories posed:
ARE THEY REALLY BUYING AT THE LOW AND THEN
SELLING AND SHORTING?
Since everyone has a motive, some think they are quietly buying a
stock on the way up, and they when they decide it is high enough,
they all sell and plot to sink it. I don't know, but it fits the profile of
why they rarely say nice things publicly about a stock and why they
have a fair amount of knowledge, enough to sound somewhat
credible. Obviously they can't promote the stock they later intend
on shorting. It would also explain why they never attack the stock
until it has run up a lot. I t also explains why they don't go after
real scam stocks. It would be altruistic but would not make them
much money..
Honestly, I am speculating only and I have no conclusive proof, but
since that does not stop them, and since this post will hopefully
help the small investor..I march on...
ARE THEY BEING PAID TO INVADE THREADS?
No one has proof of that, but again it fits the profile. Market
makers made lots of money Tuesday on CYGS playing games with
the bid/ask. It was largely helped by them.
ARE THEY REALLY TRYING TO PROTECT THE SMALL
INVESTOR FROM
HYPESTERS?
Again, if they were, they would warn people sooner with actual
proof that a stock was a scam. Instead they only anger people who
have lost a lot of hard earned money. Innuendo and controversy,
after all, can keep potential investors away from a stock. It is akin
to a
person being accused of a crime they are innocent of. Often many
still remember the arrest and assume guilt.
ARE THEY PERHAPS JUST ON A "POWER TRIP" AND
WANT TO SHOW HOW THEY
CAN TANK A STOCK WITH MERE WORDS? IS THIS WHY
THEY WAIT UNTIL A STOCK HAS RUN-UP
(i.e because they feel it may be easier to tank?) Is ego really the
whole reason or because it is FUN?
HERE IS WHY JANICE SHELL SAYS SHE DOES IT? (from a
question I posed to her on the Bashers:post them here" thread.)
" Janice.... you've never said what you objectives are or if you are
paid to post on SI."
" Get real. I don't know HOW MANY TIMES I've said I'm not in
the pay of anyone. Hundreds, literally. All this
hirelings-of-the-evil-MMs stuff is nonsense. Just another SI
fantasy. I do this because I find it interesting and fun"
YEP FOLKS, SHE FINDS IT INTERESTING AND FUN! CAN
YOU BELIEVE IT?
She finds it interesting and fun, despite the anger and hostility and
death threats? Despite the fact that because of them stocks have
tanked and cost investors millions?
WHAT ARE SOME STOCKS THEY HAVE TARGETED FOR
ATTACK?
Let's look at some of the stocks Janice Shell has targeted with
some of her friends:DGIV, INFE, ICVI (now MTEI), SGNC, and
now CYGS
ARE THESE THE 5 WORST COMPANIES THEY COULD
FIND TO BASH?
NO, EVEN JANICE SAYS THEY ARE NOT BAD, SO WHY
DID SHE AND OTHER BASH
THEM?
exchange2000.com
and SGNC recently received funding from the pristigous Battelle
Institute but that did not stop them from bashing (see news). INFE
has some of the most intelligent, loyal people I have ever seen;
ditto CYGS. In each case, long term investors of these stocks have
paid their own money to fly down to meet company officials and
do first class DD.
So, the question is: WHY DID THEY NOT FIND REAL SCAM
COMPANIES TO EXPOSE?
WHY AM I POSTING THIS?
I am so tired on not being able to share ideas and thoughts
anymore. SI has become a place where PM's are the only safe way
to communicate ideas (and some think SI is selling PM information
to Market Makers). If you are lucky enough to get a stock that goes
up
significantly, now you know that sooner or later it will become a
target of this group or the Stock Detective may hammer it down.
WHAT IS SI's POSITION REGARDING THIS GROUP?
SI has received many PM's and emails about this group. Why do
they condone their behavior? Are these bashers being protected by
SI when they are clearly violating the spirit and original intent of
SI? Are they not spamming threads through pre-planned group
activity? Are they not clearly trying to incite people with personal
attacks? When their entire existence on stock threads is nearly
always 100% negative, never positive, is this not the worst type of
spamming ever?
So far SI has allowed this!
************
REASON FOR SI AND US TO ACT"
** People are afraid to post publicly on SI anymore. MM's and
others monitor the threads
** Investors may start DEMANDING their lifetime fee be refunded
to them unless SI does something.
** SI has become a much less friendly place..a peaceful thread
becomes a nightmare...just take a look at CYGS over the last 3-4
days. See certain names popping up over and over?
Get the idea?
** Class Action lawsuits may be starting against SI, this group, and
others.
** SI has started to get a horrible reputation as a place where it is
not safe or wise to post on.
** This group and others are bringing out horrible behavior in
people...what a black mark for SI!
CONCLUSION: WHY THIS GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS IS NOT
TO BE TRUSTED
** They ALWAYS come into stocks when they have already run up
big, just like shorters do.
** They never freely say what their motives are
** They ALWAYS claim to have no vested interest in stocks they
attack, but spend 100's of collective hours monitoring every post
and drafting negative spins. They are relentless.
** They spend nearly 100% of stock threads being negative, and
almost 0% of their time being positive and promoting stocks they
love.
** I would love to see them expose REAL SCAM STOCKS and
HYPESTERS by name on a separate thread, by they refuse.
WHY AM I DOING THIS?
Simple.It is hard enough to make money on stocks on the BB: OTC
without extra garbage thrown from people like this. It is spamming
and bashing of the worst kind. It is creating hostility. It is causing
people to lose money. And eventually it may prevent people from
joining SI or even wanting to post anymore!
YES, SI...they may cost you real business!
I am also doing this because I am stupid. I will be attacked like
mad by them (oh well) and maybe even sanctioned by SI.
If I am, you will know where SI stands and what they have
become. |
