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To: George Papadopoulos who wrote (12736)	6/24/1999 2:10:00 AM
From: hui zhou	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

George, have you read the book of George Stephanopoulos' book about Clinton? He said some bad thing about the President. I just love the music of Nana Mouskouri. Is she a Greek? I first heard of her song in China around 1988.

To: George Papadopoulos who wrote (12736)	6/24/1999 2:42:00 AM
From: JBL	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 17770

George, The Serbs should not be collectively demonized, and NATO's action was a disaster engineered by inept politicians, whom I am quite comfortable with you calling "selfish younger cronies". But let's set the record straight on China's leaders : they make Clinton and Albright look like saints. Their main interest in this affair was not what happened to the Serbs, but rather, to use NATO's ill conceived plans and the bombing of their embassy as a means to discredit pro-democracy activists, divert attention from Tiananmen's 10 th anniversary, and generate a Patriotic fervor that corrupt politicians are often keen to exploit for their own selfish interests. Surrendering the moral high ground to Chinese Communists and Russian hardliners, if only temporarily, was, IMO, one the greatest negative consequences of this fiasco. Unlike you, I am not willing to prize China's opposition to NATO during this crisis so much as to close my eyes on all their own abuses, for the sake of keeping people like Yiwu happy. As NATO is about to find out with the KLA, the enemy of your enemy is not always your friend, and in the case of China, those Communists are far from being respectable. On a final note, defending or justifying the survival of Communism in China by pointing to what happened to reforms in Russia is ill advised. Communism is not a guarantee of stability in China, on the contrary. Communism breeds corruption, and corruption is the source of instability. If the Chinese want stability, they will have to progressively abandon Communism and erradicate corruption.

To: George Papadopoulos who wrote (12736)	6/24/1999 9:34:00 AM
From: lin huan chen	Respond to of 17770

George: What you say has some truth in it but not all. Of course you can be cynical to everything but I, as a Taiwanese, also contribute to help. It is definitely not politics maybe for tax reason you may say. regards Lin

To: George Papadopoulos who wrote (12736)	6/24/1999 9:47:00 AM
From: RealMuLan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

George, excellent post! One thing I want to point out is about those $300 million from Taiwan to Kosovo, that amount is the peanuts, nothing, nada, compared to what Guomindang took from the mainland in 1949. They basically took everything that could by moved, including 700+ tons of gold. The only thing left in China in 1949 was the land they could not move away, and of course, 500 million smart Chinese. China could not even product a nail in 1949, had basically no any national industry except some weak textile industry in Shanghai. The country was in such a destitute situation after 100 years of foreign invasion and civil war. And then here we are, in 1964, only 15 years later, China successfully explored its own nuclear bomb. So they can discredit, curse, condemn the Chinese gov. all they want. The fact is because of the Chinese gov., China can be as strong as today. Chinese gov. made some serious mistakes for sure over the last 50 years. But this is natural, everything happens in China since 1949 is unprecedented in history, and thus experiments of some sort. It is only natural to make some mistakes. And every gov. on this planet makes mistakes. As long as they realize and correct them, Chinese people will forgive. It doesn't matter whether the Western world approves it or not, China will go its own way, and no superpower can force anything upon China, period. Best.