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To: Grainne who wrote (42151)	6/27/1999 6:47:00 PM
From: James R. Barrett	1 Recommendation Respond to of 108807

"Do you support the position that we stole America from native peoples who were already living here, and did that in a savage, beastly way, and that they deserve some fair compensation for that loss?" YES, I do support that position. I feel very guilty for what my no good ancestors did to Native Americans. If my ancestors were alive today I would make them smoke Marlboros until they fell over dead from cancer. I am prepared to donate the entire state of California to the Native Americans as a means of compensation for all the evil things that we did to them over the centuries. The residents of California can move to Nevada, North Dakota and Minnesota. It never ceases to amaze me how evil our ancestors were compared to US. They practiced ethnic cleansing and genocide. WE, on the other hand, are caring, sensitive and generous people. I am so happy about how wonderful WE are that I am blushing. It feels good to be so good.

To: Grainne who wrote (42151)	6/27/1999 8:56:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 108807

Do you support the position that we stole America from native peoples who were already living here, and did that in a savage, beastly way, and that they deserve some fair compensation for that loss? The Native American never believed that they owned the land, so we couldn't have stolen it. Nobody owned it. That was contrary to their belief system. We found something that nobody else owned, and took ownership of it. Just like finding a stray dog or domesticating a wild horse. If anybody owned it, it was the deer and bears and salmon who were here before the Native Americans and had just as much ownership interest and right in it as the Native Americans did. Although perhaps, if the theory of evolution is true, really it was owned by the first creatures to ooze out of the oceans, and everybody else just stole it as them came along. But if you want to be illogical enough to apply Western values to those who didn't have those values, precisely what compensation would you suggest we give for the Island of Manhattan? Just give the whole thing back? Don't we have an obligation to tear down all the buildings first an rip up the streets and plant trees all over it and return it to the condition it was in when the post-Columbus white people settled there? But I will be glad to consider supporting your cause IF you will support the cause of my Pict ancestors whose land was stolen variously by Romans, French, Danes, and various other conquerors. When my ancestors and I get London back, then I'll consider giving Manhattan back. How far back do you want to go with this? I rather doubt that ANYBODY alive today owns land which wasn't at some point stolen from an earlier owner. Do you know anybody who is a direct lawful taker from the first creatures to settle on a piece of land?