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To: Neocon who wrote (42393)	6/28/1999 4:23:00 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I think that many of the positions of social conservatives are justifiable without reference to faith. Which ones? I've always felt the social prescriptions of the religious right to invoke the worst sort of big-brotherism. Manila sucks; I'm in Subic Bay, former home of the US Navy. Their departure has improved the place immensely. It did have a certain appeal before, especially to young males with a thirst for booze and any conceivable form of sexual gratification. Social conservatives would have been horrified. All very ordinary now, much preferable.

To: Neocon who wrote (42393)	6/29/1999 12:19:00 AM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<Many deeply religious people are fervent believers in the separation of church and state; there is no contradiction between praying publicly and opposing the intrusion of religion into publicly funded activities. Of course that is true, but I think that we have taken aim at too many innocuous practices, such as non- sectarian benedictions at commencement.> Non-sectarian benedictions at commencement would GREATLY offend me. In fact, they make me sick. If I were one of the graduates, I would be doubly offended, because this would be such a significant and memorable occasion for me. Is there some reason those who want to pray cannot do it quietly? That is offensive to no one at all.